Lame, lame, lame, lame, LAME!

[GITster]

Windows XP is about as stable as a drunk two leged donkey ballancing on a tight rope, on a very windy day.

I can guarentee a BSOD, by simply starting a game of CS, quiting back to windows, then restarting CS.

EVERY BLOODY TIME!

Utter sh!te. :mad:

and if i wern't for needing XP to network Firewire, i'd have 2K back in a second.

And thats not the only time i've had BSODs, ASUS drivers, soundcard drivers, and nero have all caused BSOD, and each more then once. Nero's BSOD is also infact repeatable.

[jema]

If you run XP and CS, then when CS seems to close a process hl.exe will be left running. Kill this and you will solve your problems.

I do it every time :rolleyes:

jema

[GITster]

i'll have to look for that...

[GITster]

no, no hl.exe process runing on my machine :confused:

[jema]

You have to have joined a server and started playing for this to occur. Remember also that it is a process left running and not an application.

jema

[Farabomb]

I've had all ASUS drivers since 1005 004 beta bsod on me with bolth XP and 2K. All in all I've had no more problems with XP than 2k but I still run XP on only 1 box. Give it more time also CS was not written with XP in mind so that might be part of it.

Everything sucks till you get used to it.

[GITster]

Originally posted by jema
You have to have joined a server and started playing for this to occur. Remember also that it is a process left running and not an application.

jema

Relised that, and errr, relised that!

definitly no hl.exe.

[lechumbl]

Hi All,

Poor XP sure takes a lot of heat, considering that the majority of problems are caused by third party software.

Notice that I said a majority of problems. IE has a big memory leak problem, but is being addressed in SP1. Most of the other problems in XP are addressed in SP1 also.

Take care.......

[jema]

Originally posted by lechumbl


Notice that I said a majority of problems. IE has a big memory leak problem, but is being addressed in SP1.
Take care.......

Tell me about it :rolleyes: my ie6 slows to a crawl after a day or twos use :(

jema

[GITster]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Poor XP sure takes a lot of heat, considering that the majority of problems are caused by third party software.

Sorry Lee, but you can't use that as an excuse.

When's SP1 out?

[lechumbl]

Hi Jema,

I use a prog called Ram Booster, that refreshes memory every 1 or 2 seconds to what ever you set it.
I don't have a problem with IE memory loss at all.
Might give it a try.

Take care.........

[lechumbl]

Hi Shep,

Not an excuse, just a fact.
SP1 is scheduled to be released Aug 14th.

Take care.......

[jema]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Hi Jema,

I use a prog called Ram Booster, that refreshes memory every 1 or 2 seconds to what ever you set it.
I don't have a problem with IE memory loss at all.
Might give it a try.

Take care.........

Do you have a link for that? seems like a few programs are out there with similar names.

jema

[jema]

BTW my ie6 slow downs occur when it still look slike I have physical ram to spare. Which has lead me to assume that the leakage is more a matter of internal data structures expanding and taking ages to parse, rather than being slow because of paging. So in principle I don't see what a garbage collector would do for me :confused:

jema

[lechumbl]

Hi Jema,

Here is be: http://download.com.com/3000-2086-1400043.html?legacy=cnet

Take care......

[moonraker]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Hi All,

Poor XP sure takes a lot of heat, considering that the majority of problems are caused by third party software.

Notice that I said a majority of problems. IE has a big memory leak problem, but is being addressed in SP1. Most of the other problems in XP are addressed in SP1 also.

Take care.......


Well yes, it does take a lot of heat, but at the same time, it is sold with a great deal of hype. Most stable OS ever, five 9's, etc etc etc, so I think that users are entitled to give it some heat when it doesn't perform.

Third party software. Hmmm. That'd be the stuff that we use on a daily basis to earn our living then. The irony of a lot of the third party software is that it is written and compiled using tools from the same company as the OS! Even if it is "rogue" third party software, I thought NT was supposed to written so that one app couldn't bring the whole thing crashing down, whatever happened to that idea? Has this ethic been thrown out of the window with the amount of explorer integration (or is that infiltration?) into the OS?

I have tried RAMbooster and it doesn't do a lot for me in 2k. Task manager gradually shows more and more RAM being used, even when all apps are closed, and RAMbooster does not recover it. The only thing that does is a hard re-boot.

To be fair though, since I re-installed the soundcard drivers on my home machine, XP has been behaving itself. Although what I did find odd was that it will stay up for several days compressing video and crunching seti and then freeze doing some simple word processing :eek: I look forward eagerly to SP1 :D

BTW Lee, don't take this personal m8 :D

[GITster]

Originally posted by moonraker
Third party software. Hmmm. That'd be the stuff that we use on a daily basis to earn our living then. The irony of a lot of the third party software is that it is written and compiled using tools from the same company as the OS! Even if it is "rogue" third party software, I thought NT was supposed to written so that one app couldn't bring the whole thing crashing down, whatever happened to that idea? Has this ethic been thrown out of the window with the amount of explorer integration (or is that infiltration?) into the OS?

Precisly why i said it couldn't be used as an excuse...

Apart from what XP installed iself, nothing, not one peice of software on my machine is written by Microsoft. so yeah of course it's going to be mostly third-party software simply becase that's all there is!

(but i didn't want to labour the point without back up :D)

And as for 'not written for XP' Hmmm, wasn't written for 2K either... or ME for that matter... works perfectly fine in those!
Microsoft can get it right as 2K proves, but it troubles me how easily an app which ran perfectly fine on the exact same system before the 'upgrade' can BSOD "the most stable OS to-date".

[GITster]

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why did you not mention this before...

i've just read in the genome forum a sugestion to run the genome installer under windows 98 compatability mode, as it wasn't working properly. I've just tried the same thing for CS, and guess what?

I worked! well it appears to be working anyway - yet to test is fully but, i can now exit and re-run CS without BSODing!

WoooHoooo! :D


Me much happier with XP now :xthumb:

[moonraker]

Nice one :)
It's all so easy once you know where the buttons are :xmad2:

[lechumbl]

Hi Shep,

I have to be honest on that one........I haven't thought about Software Compatibility Mode in a long time.

Sorry bout that......I didn't know that they were still making software that required it.

Please forgive me, as I have sinned. :xhaddock:

Take care, and let us know how it runs over time.......

[GITster]

I appear to be getting what jema described earlier - after CS is quit there is still the process running - which i manually close every time, but still no BSOD yet :D

[JaFFa]

onmy windows update there was a critical update that updated XP for several games. One of them was HL CS. Maybe this might help if it isnt already installed? I only just did it 2day, it was a critical update tho....

[lechumbl]

Hi JaFFa,

Very good point.
It is important that the critical updates are installed on a regular basis.
It is just as important to install the driver and software updates as they become available.
The OEMs and Microsoft work very close with each other to insure that the latest and greatest drivers are written and perform well in the OS, regardless if it is Win9X, or WinNT, or WinXP.

Take care.......

[RaNGeR.GaV]

I've been trying to use windows update yesterday and it failed to install some software ot needed to do the update process (like the pop-up install "XP Publisher" stuff). It just kept failing and saying I should check my security settings... haven't changed them from last time I dont' think :(

[lechumbl]

Hi RaNGer.Gav,

Just checked the site and it is working correctly.
Might check Tools/Internet Options/Security again and check that Default is on, or insure that you have not raised the level by accident.

Take care.......

[Player0]

WindowsXP has a lot of potential. But I can't wait for SP1...literally can't. For business use I use Win2K still, as it is by far the most stable OS. I still have XP at home, and even though Im not overclocked right now as I rebuild the cube, I experience errors and freezes, mostly IE or explorer crashes.

I remember Win2K was shakey before SP1 though, and it turned out quite a workhorse afterwards. Im hoping XP has the same fate.

[tripodal]

Originally posted by Player0
WindowsXP has a lot of potential. But I can't wait for SP1...literally can't. For business use I use Win2K still, as it is by far the most stable OS. I still have XP at home, and even though Im not overclocked right now as I rebuild the cube, I experience errors and freezes, mostly IE or explorer crashes.

I remember Win2K was shakey before SP1 though, and it turned out quite a workhorse afterwards. Im hoping XP has the same fate.

ive rarely install service packs... if i do its just cause i am bored. what software do you all use to make 2k crash... as mine almost never has

[GITster]

I tried to install the lot last night, and do you know what happed when it rebooted...

BSOD on startup.

so i thought, perhaps just a clitch, i'll trie again normal...

BSOD

K, now i'm worried, i'll try last good configuration...

BSOD

Right, now i'm really worried, will safemode work...

BSOD

Sh!t, nothings working! one last try before i try a repair from the XP CD, last good configuration....

It worked!

Bloody hell don't scare me like that! Anyway after clicking though about 30 don't send to microsofts, all was well.

Surfice to say i'm not going to try that again :(