Thinking of ditching XP

[moonraker]

Well, it's been interesting but....
I am seriously considering re-installing 2k.
There are a couple of things that I like about it but if they weren't there then it wouldn't really be the end of the world.
The things that really needed fixing, eg explorer crashing and annihilating the desktop, haven't been.
Since running a machine with XP on it I find myself back in 95 mode, re-booting almost every day. With 2k I could leave the machine on for weeks on end sometimes before I needed a reboot, XP seems as fragile as a box of eggs, giving random freeze ups and TCP/IP problems much too frequently for my liking.
I don't relish the though of re-installing 2k, no doubt it will object and there will be problems because of XP's version of NTFS blah blah blah.
Anyone know when SP1 is due out and does it address any of these things?

[joek71]

Yeh I read somewhere but I dont remember where, that the SP1 is coming sometime this yr or when Longhorn comes out.

[lechumbl]

Hi Moonraker,

I work at Microsoft and have been testing SP1 for XP for quite a while and I suggest that you wait until after SP1 comes out.

I think, even you, will be impressed with the results.

Will be releasing shortly.

Take care..........

[joek71]

Can you give us a ballpark date when is it due to come out?

[lechumbl]

Hi Joe,

Let me check at work tomorrow and will give you the latest release date. I know it is VERY soon.

Take care.....

[mackerel]

I like XP, if only it works 100% for me... still no solution for disappearing tray icons (not "hidden" related AFAIK) and since I swapped to a new machine it's doing the lock up on shutdown thing too. Apart from that, I do like it and use it on my main net access machine.

I can only look forward to SP1 and hope it makes a real difference.

[lechumbl]

Hi there again,

Since XP came out there have been over 100 internal builds made and it is really running solid on the 41 systems that I have it on running 24/7 at work.
SP1 is also very solid and I am very impressed with the stability of it.
One thing that must be remembered.......We test the OS on as many PC configurations as possible. We can not test on EVERY configuration, but we try as many as we can get our hands on.
We do not test it on O/C machines. That may or may not be an issue.
I run very O/Ced here at home, and my XP runs without any Explorer crashes on my systems.
Time will tell on the new builds and SP1.
Like I said, will keep all informed as I know.

Take care.........

[BigBen]

I have no problems at all with XP except since running the XP antispy program my shutdown seems to take ages (but it does shut down)approx 45sec to a min .....I guess it caused by one of the options such as clear page file or something :rolleyes:


Regards

[lechumbl]

Hi All,

August 14th is the RTM date, according to MS.
If that changes, I will update info here.

Take care.....

[moonraker]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Hi Moonraker,

I work at Microsoft and have been testing SP1 for XP for quite a while and I suggest that you wait until after SP1 comes out.

I think, even you, will be impressed with the results.

Will be releasing shortly.

Take care..........

You saying I am fussy or something Lee?? :rolleyes: :D
I await it's release with baited breath. Overall I do like it but I can't be doing with continual rebooting.
I realise that MS do test with a large number of configurations but all I know is this, 2k is not perfect by any means but I am running at an average of one re-boot per day since installing XP on my new machine. Admittedly I have never run 2k on this machine so maybe it isn't a fair comparison and some of the things I am re-booting for may not even be down to the OS itself. I shall create a new thread for one problem in particular with TCP/IP (in the networking forum)

[lechumbl]

Hi Bud,

"You saying I am fussy or something Lee??"
Not at all, much.........
Just kidding.
You are really the only one that I know that is really having major problems with Explorer crashing, that's all.
I sent ya some PM, so we will go from there.

Take care........

[Jetrunner]

wow, i have actually enjoyed xp quite a bit, little quirks here and there, but its still my fav os so far...waiting for SP...one prob i have with xp is that it is VERY picky with scratches on cds, or at least ive noticed that it is for me. overall impressed though...thx ms.:D

[lechumbl]

Hi Jet,

I remember the problems that you were having with the scratches on your CDs.
I don't think the OS is the cause, but the CD-ROM itself. Some are very sensitive.
I have one at work that will only read expensive CDs and not the cheap brands. It is the luck of the draw, I guess.

Take care.....

[mackerel]

Well... in a kinda indirect way, WinXP can be more sensitive to scratches when playing music CDs than earlier WinOSes, if all else is equal.

The version of media player that comes with WinXP has support for digital playing, and that process doesn't work well on some CD drives, where regular analog playback works fine.

This is not limited to XP, updating media player on earlier OSes can let that happen too... as can third party software with that ability too. You can switch to analog mode in the options, which then plays through your sound card assuming you have the audio cable installed.

[moonraker]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Hi Bud,

"You saying I am fussy or something Lee??"
Not at all, much.........
Just kidding.
You are really the only one that I know that is really having major problems with Explorer crashing, that's all.
I sent ya some PM, so we will go from there.

Take care........

LOL.
I have ALWAYS had explorer crash on me, on 5 different machines with completely different hardware, under NT4.0, 2K, and XP. When it happens it's a bit like the wogga wogga bird and if it wasn't for the good ole task manager it would leave one well stuffed. There was a thread over on 2cpu.com about this and there were other people having the problem there and some that never ever had a problem. One thing I will say though, I run OpenGL CAD apps most of the time at work, maybe there's a connection there somewhere.

[joek71]

Thank God, so far I am not having any problems with WindowsXP. The service pack should improve the overall stability of Windows XP.

[Jetrunner]

hmm ok thx lechumbl(sp?) lol....im not sure if that's it, it might be, but im feeling too lazy right now to fix anything. wow lol, that would be so cool to work for ms......:):D :rolleyes: :cool:

[jema]

My main grief with xp is that it still does not work like a real OS with each application isolated.

For example, when I run Half Life and exit, it fails to shutdown, thats one bug I can live with, it may be a bug in the game it may be an XP bug.... but if I tehn run IE6 without killing off the dead hl.exe process, then IE6 will crash badly :rolleyes: :mad:

This simply should not be possible :(

jema

[Stargazer]

I've been real disappointed with XP. Too invasive while hiding
the controls. It doesn't overclock as well for me either.

I've got XP corp edition here yet I continue to load win2K on all
my boxes and prolly will for some time to come.......

[KMS]

XP rocks & a bad workman always blames his tools :D

[joek71]

I sometimes had to reinstall WindowsXP a few times to get everything working properly. Lets hope the service pack will fix a lot of bugs and not create new ones :D

[lechumbl]

Hi All,

Just another thought.......When we test it (XP) at MS, it is not on an O/Ced box, always an "off the shelf" system, so we can get the most average user parameters and devices covered and tested.

It seems that we, as O/Cers have the most problems. That tells me that the OS is not too bad, but it is not designed for O/C. In fact, none are.

So, for those that want to dump it, go to it. For thoese who don't, there are problems with Win9X and Win2K platforms also when O/Ced.

Enjoy the OS and take care........

[moonraker]

Originally posted by lechumbl
Hi All,

Just another thought.......When we test it (XP) at MS, it is not on an O/Ced box, always an "off the shelf" system, so we can get the most average user parameters and devices covered and tested.

It seems that we, as O/Cers have the most problems. That tells me that the OS is not too bad, but it is not designed for O/C. In fact, none are.

So, for those that want to dump it, go to it. For thoese who don't, there are problems with Win9X and Win2K platforms also when O/Ced.

Enjoy the OS and take care........

Can't say that I go along with that 100% Of course no OS is going to overcome hardware problems because the box is overclocked, that would be like blaming the OS for a power cut! But the irony here is that I had win2k on a machine that <b>was</b> overclocked, approx 40% over stock speed, I now have XP on a machine that is running at stock standard speed and I am having problems :eek:

[lechumbl]

Hi MR,

You must remember that the OS's are running on millions and millions of systems.
There are always going to be problems.
Overall, there is less that .1% of the systems that are having problems.
You happen to be in the .1% bracket......You should feel special.

Take care.....

[moonraker]

Hi Lee,

yep, that'd be about my sort of luck. Pity I'm not that lucky with the lottery :rolleyes:

[Jetrunner]

wow, that small of a percent eh? yeesh...im pretty lucky i guess, but not enough to even THINK of ditching xp...cant wait for new os....

[4.6POWER]

thats it I'm never overclocking again! :mad:

:D

[Squeaky]

Originally posted by 4.6POWER
thats it I'm never overclocking again! :mad:

:D


LOL..sure, I'm convinced! :D