Athlon vs. Pentium

[Jetrunner]

I personally would prefer the amd athlon processor over the pentium.,,, i havent had any trouble with my athlon, and when i had a pentium, i had some not so good things happen.

:cool:

any stories about either from allyall?

[NorthernYankee]

Well if you look at all our I'd say 90% are Athlon systems. So I think you can figure out what our preference is:D

--NY

[Arsonist]

i heard from some people that i know at my dad's work, that the amd is better for gaming and stuff like that. ......nice attachment jetrunner.

[Jetrunner]

ok...sounds practical,,, i suppose ill need some more opinions though,,, just to keep a "debate" if one were to occur... lol

:cool:

thx arsonist,,, is it workin right?
:D

[Arsonist]

nope its working fine

[Jetrunner]

ok,, thx,, i like my new signature lol.... so uh,, here's my specs. lol

[Arsonist]

we are changeing the subject again.

[Jetrunner]

i know,, we always do,, so uh back to pentium and amd

[Arsonist]

i like amd

[4.6POWER]

penti-what? penti-who? never heard of him.















:rolleyes:

[tripodal]

over clocked amd xp... intel has nothing that can beat it... not even 2.0 ghz p4 overclocked can beat an xp running at 1.9ghz.. not to mention that price difference
only good intel has is when the massive mem speeds are needed... but with the super speedy ddr ram coming out and unlocked xp procs.... the p4 is going to be chewed up.
so untill intel pull a rabbit out of thier arse you may want to stick with amd for the performance.
if you want cheap tho......
but a cheap intel celeron 733 or 800 for like $30, then run it at 100mhs fsb or 133 fsb respectivly... will run with NO voltage mods.. and with stock heatsink and fan... that is why i have always loved the celeron.

[Jetrunner]

good point tripodal....mine's an amd and its overclocked... its a 1 gig,, it wouldnt handle 1.2 but 1.1 its great...at 1.2 it kept crashing a lot for like no reason.... good point though

[tripodal]

celeron is the overclocking king. anyone disagree?

[Jetrunner]

havent overclocked celeron before.....just amd athlons... wouldnt know maybe someone else will....

[GITster]

i have both, i'm an equal opportunity kinda person :)

[tripodal]

Originally posted by GITster
i have both, i'm an equal opportunity kinda person :)

what in your opinion oc's better?
wonder what a h20 cooled celeron would do.

[Berkswolf]

Not really a thread for the reccomended section. I am moving this to Off topic.

[GITster]

I reckon, if i could change the multiplier in me PIII's i get get them to a Gig (maybe more) easy. Currently they are sitting at 35&34C in a room of 24C, and they're running 2 instances of genome.

me XP doesn't seem to be having too much trouble running at 1.6, but it's only been doing if for a day, so i can't really say it's totaly stable. My guess is i can squeese a bit more out of it maybe another 50Mhz or so. It's currently at 44C also under full load, so it's a bit warm.

a while ago i bought a couple of PIII 750's hoping to get them to a gig, but i think they were too different to work together. when i tried, it would boot at a gig, but it wasn't untill i checked it's performance that i realised somthing wasn't right. A closer inspection of the screen on startup revield that one of the procs had shut down and it was just running off one :rolleyes:, so i put my old(er) 733's in and got my 935 back. sold the procs on ebay for a loss of £30 each :rolleyes: :( really could have done without that.

About 18months ago, i got a classic athlon, that was a 750 core, solderd to 850, but i mangaged to squeese 935 out of it with not much trouble, so nearly a 200MHz overclcok there.

I haven't gone though enough of either companies chips to say which is best overclocking, so i'll let you make of it what you will.

[tripodal]

well every celeron ive ever seen has had at minimum a 33% overclock... my 900 at 1.2
my 733 ran at 1.1
and 2 800's ran at 1066
just by upping the fsb from 66 to 100 or 100 to 133
and none of these chips needed a vcore mod. all at stock spec voltage

[dicki]

humm... i dunno... i like the duron

the new celeron with the 100mhz bus is pretty good but it still ain't cheap. price wise it's competing with t-birds

my duron 700 cost 35 quid and hit 1100mhz (obviously with a little effort) but with no voltage mod and air cooling 1000 was no trouble (57% and 43% overclocks respectivly)

at 1100 all sandra benchmarks (except memory cos i had sdram) equalled or beat a p4 1.5ghz and for 35 quid you can't argue with that

dicki

[tripodal]

duron oc isnt too common but from what i see of yours... they are definatly likely to change my opinion.. i wonder if i put a h2o cooler on my 1.2 what it would run at... do durons often go that much higher?

[Jetrunner]

how does water cooling work anyway????

[dicki]

i havn't heard anything about people clocking the new durons (morgan core) but i think i have a couple here (brand new 850's just a couple of weeks old with very deep lazer cuts across the bridges suggesting a new core. but that is just speculation)

the trick with the old durons was to buy the cheapest and slowest (600mhz) one and overclock it because they all used to reach 1ghz and stop no matter what core you got, i got a good one and if i ever ressurect my kt7 from it's watery grave i'll check out this new one.

water cooling is like air cooling except using water

basically instead of using air as your heatsink you use water and then air, water takes the heat away from the chip fast and allows you to use large radiators to shift that heat to the air

dicki

[tripodal]

come on now! your gotta dig it out.. your missing out on a lot of crunching.
maybe i will buy a duron next time!
overclock the fsb to 166ddr heheheheh
durons are ddr correct?

[The Therion]

yes the FSB of Durons is x2

a difference i see often is that Intel systems handle better high FSBs.Always have. :mad:

[tripodal]

if the duron ran SDR vs. DDR would the celeron still be its B**** ???


i want a ddr board for p3 / celeron :(

[The Therion]

if, what?

[tripodal]

most people on this board believe that equal mhz or price celeron vs. duron that the duron would always win... but i am curious if that is partially due to the greater ram speeds due to ddr....
if celeron had ddr, how then would it stack up vs. the duron.
and vice versa
if duron was only SDR, how would it compare to the celeron.

just idle curosity.
anyone out there with a SDR duron? at 9x multiplier?

[The Therion]

this might be difficult to compare......there ARE no SDR Durons/Athlons/Thunderbirds/XPs

[tripodal]

doh, my friend has an 900mhz athlon tbire.. with sdr ram... i would compare benchmarks with him but his runs like trash... his mobo never worked properly, in fact it only operates with 2 specific ram chips... anyothers crash his computer :(

so its safe to say that noone catering to amd wastes thier time with sdr anymore?

[The Therion]

sdr RAM ?? werent we talking about cpu FSB ??

[tripodal]

yep, but when we say athlon vs. pentium .. we also say sdr vs. ddr
i was just speculating on a way to remove that barrier.
for a more accurate analysis

[Jetrunner]

any mghz difference though? like macs have a less mghz but equal in speed. is there anything like that (comparison) between pentium and athlon?

[The Therion]

well consider this : the P4 has QDR (quadruple bus,twice that of the Thundebirds and XPs) and STILL cant beat the AMD at par frequency!
Also check in the "Socket A overclocking" forum ,the memory timings of a 1900Mhz (real speed) XP with FSB @ 173 (which is ofcourse 346Mhz) and you'll notice how close they've come to the 800Mhz RDRAM ones.

[tripodal]

i tottally agree, but rambus isnt just QRD srdram.. it runs at 1/2 the width.. only two bytes vs. 4 bytes for DDR, also we all know that even compared to a celeron p4 sucks Shiznit, my celeron 1260 benches higher than a p4 1.5... CELERON well anyways, i guess were just trying to compare apples to oranges

[The Therion]

apples and oranges ?
werent we talking about strawberies ? :D

seriously....celerons are cool :cool:
considering price as well ,maybe the best Intel cpus :D

a shame my old motherboard doesnt let me overclock my old Celeron 300A :(

[tripodal]

you could probably find one that will let you o'c it... slot one mobos are very very cheap nowadays.. look on ebay
ive seen dual celeron 300's run at 567 with air cooling.. stable
as a server

[The Therion]

yes but i just dont feel like investing more $ on it ,i'll probably give it to my little sister once i get my next system,so my Duron will become my secondary sys...

[tripodal]

oh well ur choice i guess, i am never happy unless its overclocked more and more hehehe

[Jetrunner]

greedy tripodal lol