PS2: Final Fantasy X

[Baptizer]

DROOOLS.....7 more days...7 more days....then ill give you guys a review......

[The Therion]

if you'll have it 7 days ,then DONT do a review in 7 days !!
play it for at least a week,then review it
i've seen some trailers n videos and it seems really good...
....bummer i dont have PSX2...

[Baptizer]

Oh ok....i wont do a review until a week or so later...hopefully by then ill find some time!:D

[Baptizer]

5 more days!!!!

[tripodal]

i wish i could just sleep that long... but then i would feel so crappy

[mackerel]

I wonder when it'll finally get released over here?

Then again, that gives me more time to finish 8 & 9 :D

In 8, I got to the end and after a couple of hours battling, I got killed. Been too ****ed off to try again.

For 9, I just need to get round to finishing it. I'm on the last disk so can't be far off, but for some reason I just lost interest...

[tripodal]

i understand why you lost interest when i played 9 i thought for sure my ps had turned into a nintendo and the game was developed for a 5 year old

[Baptizer]

9 was an extreme disapointment...along with 8.

only one more day till it ships!! YIPEEEE

Days before being shipped: 1
Days before playing: 2

[tripodal]

assuming terrorists dont take the shipment hostage

[Baptizer]

Hehehe...that would definitely be big suckage.

Days before shipping: 0.70
Days before playing 1.70

[tripodal]

you already have a copy reserved correct?
dont want to get my hopes up for nothign

[Baptizer]

Yea, i have a copy reserved :) I am hoping by some miracle that it ships today, and ill get it today.......i dont live very far from the 'Electronics Boutique' main warehouse(100 miles or so).
Days before shipping: 0.00
Days before playing 0.70

[Baptizer]

ship darnit ship!!!!
Why havn't you shipped yet!? Are you afraid to come home with me? Ill take care of you! just come to your new HOME .........PLEASE!!!

[tripodal]

GGGrrrarrrrGGG yea, i am annoyed as well. it better be worth the wait. although ive never written off a square product.

[Baptizer]

Well today is the day....
it shipped yesterday and should arrive today. Hopefully when i get home and after i get done lifting weights, itll be at my door waiting for me.......sigh...
I think itll definitely be worth the wait. One thing that i always look forward too are the cg movies that get played through-out the game.....they should look fantastic with the ps2's power!

[Baptizer]

SHE HAS ARRIVED!!! SHE HAS ARRIVED! Word from the mothership has informed me the package has arrived there.

You think i would be happy right? Oddly enough, i have developed a strange cough and i have come down with a very odd sickness. I think i am going to have to go home from work!!
*cough* *cough*

[tripodal]

arrrgggghhh cant wait.........aarrrr

[Baptizer]

*DANCE DANCE DANCE*

So far, i have put 3 hours of game time in.....so far so good. Its amazing how good the graphics are, and how the integrate the movies with the game...sometimes you cant tell the difference!

[Baptizer]

Sigh...i am at work...want to go home and play........want to play!

[tripodal]

woot woot yay for you. work hard at your job so that you can affort ff11 hehe. i just got a second job today so i can afford the goodies like ddr MOBO's and ps2.. perhaps the xbox too.. but im not so sure that microsoft has earned anymore of my money!

[Jetrunner]

haha good point,,but you see, i work all summer for what you guys can make in a month. lol.(our summer is about 3 months) lol

[Arsonist]

but now im 16! yah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now i can get a job and drive there in my 1984 subaru brat which is really awesome i might add.

[tripodal]

lol, i have an 1986 Honda Civic with 317,124 miles on it

[Baptizer]

317,000 miles?????? holy ****! hehehe. that would be like driving to mars!!! hehe jk. Ill have a mid-game review for ffx here soon......i am about 24 hours into the game.....

[tripodal]

BOUT TIME, i played it for 30minutes in best buy and had to stop.. but i loved the FMV and graphics... i just wish that the ps2 had the graphics capability of the Xbox and then some... oh well
i hope they are working on the ps3

[Baptizer]

Well....
i am not going to get in a 'competition' with the x-box, but i doubt we will see a ps3 until maybe mid-2003/early-2004, which is still probably too soon.
I just wish i could play more than a few hours a day.....argh....

[tripodal]

i dont want to wait that long... and hopefully the ps3 will play ps1/2 and 3 cd's it would make sence wouldnt it?

[Baptizer]

I would imagine it would play the previous system's games....but trust me, its going to be a long wait.:( :(

[tripodal]

why must you squash my hopes?

[Baptizer]

hehehe....
hey, i am hoping for a lot of things, but lets be realistic. I am guessing 2 years...at the very least.

[tripodal]

and you continue to persist! i dont think that sony will maitain superiority unless they unveil something more grand soon. the fact that the xbox is almost 3x as powerful will definatly take away alot of the edge that the ps2 had in the beginning

[Baptizer]

Hmm....i am not exactly sure on the system specs, but i doubt it is really 3x as powerful. Or is it? I have seen both systems up and running, and to be honest, they seem the same......
I think 2003-christmas would be the soonest ps3 would come out.....ps2 has only been out a year and a month....

[tripodal]

PlayStation 2 Features and Specs
10/4/00


PlayStation®2 Computer Entertainment System

Features and Specifications

CPU
128-bit Playstation 2 CPU

System Clock Frequency
294.912 MHz

Cache Memory
Instruction: 16KB, Data: 8KB + 16KB (ScrP)

Main Memory
Direct Rambus (Direct RDRAM)

Memory Size
32MB

Memory Bus Bandwidth
3.2GB per Second

Co-processor
FPU (Floating Point Unit)


Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 1,

Floating Point Divider x 1

Vector Units
VU0 and VU1

Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 9,

Floating Point Divider x 3

Floating Point Performance
6.2 GFLOPS


3D CG Geometric Transformation
66 Million Polygons per second


Compressed Image Decoder
MPEG2


Graphics
Graphics Synthesizer™

Clock Frequency
147.456MHz

Embedded DRAM
4MB

DRAM Bus bandwidth
48GB per Second

DRAM Bus width
2560 Bits

Pixel Configuration
RGB:Alpha:Z Buffer (24:8:32)

Polygon Drawing Rate
75 Million Polygons per Second

Screen Resolution
Variable from 256 x 224 to 1280 x 1024


Sound
"SPU2+CPU"

Number of Voices
ADPCM: 48ch on SPU2 plus definable, software programmable voices

Sound Memory
2MB

Output Frequency
Variable up to 48 KHz (DAT quality)


IOP
I/O Processor

CPU Core
PlayStation (current) CPU

Clock Frequency
33.8688MHz or 36.864MHz (Selectable)

IOP Memory
2MB

Sub Bus
32-bit

Interface Types
IEEE1394 i.Linkä , Universal Serial Bus (USB) x 2

Controller Port x 2, Memory Card x 2


Disc Device
CD-ROM and DVD-ROM

Device Speed
CD-ROM 24 times speed

DVD-ROM 4 times speed


New Features

(North American model)
Drive bay (for 3.5" hard disc drive)

Expansion unit (for network interface)

DVD-Video playback built into the hardware, no Memory Card required










these are the playstation specs from sonys website

[tripodal]

as much as i could find about xobx

733mhz celeron processor 128kb cache (2.5x processor speed, 4x cache size... cache is important)

NVidia GPU (unspecified)

10 GB hard drive
ethernet controller
64mb Ram pc 133
uses a stripped down versino of win2k

look here


http://www.xboxweb.com/features/xdkspecs.html

[tripodal]

one more page of stuff ive located


in all columbs the top spec is xbox.. the next is ps2 the bottem is gamecube








Microsoft Xbox
Sony PS2
Nintendo Gamecube

CPU
733 MHz Intel Pentium III w/streaming SIMD extensions
128-bit "Emotion Engine" running @ 300MHz
405MHz IBM Power PC "Gekko" Multiprocessing Unit


Graphics Processor
300Mhz custom-designed X-Chip, developed by Microsoft and nVidia
150Mhz Sony Graphics Synthesizer
Art X 202.5 MHz Custom chip "Flipper"


System Memory
64MB Unified Memory Architecture
32MB direct RDRAM
24MB (1T-SRAM) + 16MB A-Memory (100MHz DRAM)


Memory Bandwidth
6.4GB/sec
3.2 GB/sec
3.2GB/sec

Polygon Performance
150 M/sec
75 M/sec
6-12 M/sec

Sustained Polygon performance (fullfeatures)
100 M/sec
20 M/sec
6-12 M/sec

Particle Performance
150 M/sec
150 M/Sec
N/A

Simultaneous Textures
4
1
N/A

Pixel Fill Rate - No texture
4.8 G/Sec (anti-aliased)
2.4 G/Sec
N/A

Pixel Fill Rate - 1 Texture
4.8 G/Sec (anti-aliased)
1.2 G/Sec
N/A

Pixel Fill Rate - 2 Textures
4.8 G/Sec (anti-aliased)
0.6 G/Sec
N/A

Compressed Textures
Yes (6:1)
No
N/A

Full Scene Anti-alias
Yes
No
Yes

Storage Medium
5x DVD, 8 GB Hard disk, 8MB Memory card
4x DVD, 8MB Memory card
Proprietary 1.5GB minidisc 4-Megabit DigiCard with adapter for 64MB SD flash memory card

I/O
Game controller x4, Ethernet (10/100)
Game controller x2, USB x2, IEEE 1394
Game controller x4, High-speed serial port x2, High-speed parallel port x 1

Audio Channels
256
48 ADPCM
64 ADPCM

3D Audio Support in Hardware
Yes
No
N/A

MIDI+DLS2 Support
Yes
No
N/A

Broadband enabled
Yes
Future Upgrade
Optional

Modem enabled
Optional
Not Planned
Optional

DVD Movie playback
Built In
Built In
No, available on Matsu****a DVD/Gamecube hybrid

Maximum resolution
1920x1080
1280X1024
N/A

Maximum resolution (2 x 32bpp frame buffers + Z)
1920x1080
640x480
N/A

HDTV Support
Yes
Limited
N/A

[Baptizer]

Hard to believe ps2 out sold both the x-box and game cube....

[tripodal]

i am a great playstation fan, the games are just there for it. thats why it still outsold both systems while still being inferiour in many ways...
i did find one discrepancy microsofts website says the main memory bandwidth of the ps2 is 3.2 gb/s same as rambus, but on the sony site its listed as 48gb a second... wondering what the difference is and if its there.

[speculative]

PS2 memory bandwidth is very fast if I remember right, because there's not that much video memory. :(

The reason PS2 is outdoing and will continue to outdo both Xbox and Gamecube for quite some time is history.

The Atari Jaguar was the most powerful system of its time, yet it flopped.

The Panasonic 3DO system was the most powerful of its time, yet it flopped.

Etc. etc. The games make the system. Who gets the games is politics. That's why Halo, which was originally bound for the PC market too, is Xbox only. Also why Munch's Odyssey went from PS2 to Xbox. And also why there probably won't be a Final Fantasy game on Xbox. (Sony now owns 22% of Squaresoft.)

If I were to buy a game system now I'd get a PS2 for sure. Have you seen what Nintendo is doing to Zelda? :eek: :( There's a lot of junk coming out for the Gamecube, and there's nothing on Xbox that's unique to me. But even though I think the PS2 is a step up, I was watching the add for GTA3, and also looking at some screenshots of Star Wars Starfighter, and they didn't seem all that graphically improved over the PS1. In fact, they looked really primitive compared to what a good computer can do. And I already have a good computer. (When it finally gets booted that is. :p )

It just goes to show Sony's power as a company that the PS2 is way harder to program for than the Gamecube or Xbox, yet PS2 is getting the games...

-speculative

[tripodal]

i totally agree, but i would hope that ps2 becomes more user friendly and releases a more powerful system in near future

[speculative]

Yeah, I hope they either drop the price to 199$ which I think would move a lot more units, or else include something else with the standard PS2 unit at the 299$ price point - like a hard drive for example, or an extra controller or something. I do like that the Xbox has a built-in hard-drive as a standard feature, since memory cards for the new systems seem to cost around 30$ each. Man, that's almost as much as a game!

-speculative

[tripodal]

Originally posted by speculative
Yeah, I hope they either drop the price to 199$ which I think would move a lot more units, or else include something else with the standard PS2 unit at the 299$ price point - like a hard drive for example, or an extra controller or something. I do like that the Xbox has a built-in hard-drive as a standard feature, since memory cards for the new systems seem to cost around 30$ each. Man, that's almost as much as a game!

-speculative

while the xbox's included hard disk allows you to use it as a save file... not all games work with it... project gotham racing requires a memory card anyways!!!

[speculative]

Originally posted by tripodal


while the xbox's included hard disk allows you to use it as a save file... not all games work with it... project gotham racing requires a memory card anyways!!!

Whoa, that is really, really sad!

-spec

[tripodal]

im not entirely sure what its for anywyas.... i know that when the ps2
hard drive comes out it will be used as a cache.. to store parts of the game and decrease loading time... not sure about it being used as a memory card tho

[Baptizer]

During the christmas season, Ps2 outsold the x-box and gamecube combine!! Pretty crazy actually......i guess we can blame availability, but i would prefer to think that the ps2 won it out right.

[tripodal]

tell you what... if the ps3 comes out sometime soon.. i detect a monopoliy rivaling microsofts type

[Baptizer]

hmm....ill disagree :D

[tripodal]

you dont think that a ps3 would finish off sonys competition?
backwards compatability and the most advanced games out there by far?

[Baptizer]

Honestly i dont think it'll finish off the competition. I do think it will increase the grasp that sony already has on the gaming console world........
and i would be TRUELY dissapointed if sony took all the console business. I think its good that 3 systems can compete in one market...it gives us gamers so many more options, and it does increase the over all product and value that we get.
By the time ps3 would come on the market(i am expecting atleast a 1.5 years, to 2.5 years until it ever does), i am hoping that Sega surprises us all with a next generation system(ya i know i know, they went out of the market and only produce games, but cant a guy dream).

[tripodal]

i agree now. you are being more realistic than me, at least right now we dont have anyone taking over completly... what about atari! perhaps they can revamp the jaguar :D

[Baptizer]

As long as a company never tries to release another NEO GEO. Do you remember that system? It cost like 700 bucks, and the games were like $300 a piece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tripodal]

i was so far from owning nintendo when neo geo came out... i didnt get into the world of video games untilll i moved out on my own ... and paid my own bills... my mom was worthless!

it would be cool to see a neo geo these days... i wonder how it would stack up vs. a ps one

[speculative]

Originally posted by tripodal
i was so far from owning nintendo when neo geo came out... i didnt get into the world of video games untilll i moved out on my own ... and paid my own bills... my mom was worthless!

Dude! I soooo hear ya! I spent a lot of time trying to make up for my lack of access to a Nintendo system though after I moved out ;)

-speculative

[tripodal]

its ok now. because you can get all the missed nintendo titles download on roms with an emulator...yay

[Baptizer]

It still isnt the same...there is just something about having a console and those little gamepads. I mean come on!!! Imagine how hard it would be to do 'up up down down left right left right A B A B Start' with a keyboard for CONTRA!

[tripodal]

true but you could build a macro generator... and have a short cut to do it for you :P haha