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Razor_FX_II
8th August 2009, 05:24 AM
EulerNet has not had a stat update since : 7/14/2009 at 8h00m16s
When I contacted Jean-Charles Meyrignac [jcmeyrignac@gmail.com]
he replied

"Don't bother keeping my project, just delist it.
This will force me to work on my new project ;-)"

I think that EulerNet should be removed from the DC-Vault since the admins have no intention of updating the stats anymore.

http://euler.free.fr/top.htm

Rusty
8th August 2009, 08:02 AM
This doesn't make sense... Why wouldn't they update stats.. A lot of unanswered questions.

His reply doesn't explain much..

Yankton
8th August 2009, 01:52 PM
Not much along the way of a forum on their site either.

Razor_FX_II
8th August 2009, 04:50 PM
He said this to me in an email:

"the program that generates the page doesn't run anymore..." (the EulerNet stat page updater program no longer runs)
"Don't bother too much with my little project, I think that there are better (and more useful) projects out there (like folding at home, etc...)...

Thank you for your interest !

JC"

His interests have been diverted to working on a new crosswords filling project:

"This will start as a non-profit project, where the aim will be to find all 'record' french grids.
A french site maintains a list of the best grids:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/ledefi/ (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/ledefi/)
I currently hold the record ;-)

The goal will be:

1) to fill grids with several languages (I'll start with a french wordlist, then an english wordlist, etc...)
2) to fill rectangular grids (with width*height>=64). We'll start with the smaller grids.
3) to find the minimal number of blocked cells so that the grid are fillable. For example, the french record for a 9x9 is 3 blocked cells. I think we can find a 9x9 grid with only 2 blocked cells, and probably only one cell.

If this goes fine, I'll probably start a restricted semi-commercial project, with the following rules:
1) only the top contributors are allowed to participate (I want only motivated people).
2) the wordlists will contain only a subset of the above wordlists (1/100th of the size, because the large lists contain words not really interesting to clue)
3) I'll try to sell the grids to french magazines or french crossword creators (I know a few ones). I have some hopes to sell them to finnish creators.
4) around 10% of the earned money will be donated to the grid discoverers. Since most of the time will be taken by creating the clues, I'm still trying to define a process to automate clues generation. If this can be achieved, the percentage of money will increase.
Another solution is to propose to people to create the clues manually. This way, if I can write a nice site, the whole grid could be totally generated, and the money could be spread between all the participants to a specific grid.


I currently finished the crossword filling program, along with a set of rules for international crosswords.
We'll use 2 ways to generate the initial empty grids:
1) by forcing the blocked cells, when the number is small (this will give us a lot of combinations, since for example there are 55 possible starts for a 10x10 grid with a single blocked cell).
2) by setting a number of blocked cells, that will be automatically placed by the program. In this case, given the country, the placement is different ! In the USA, the cells have to be placed symmetrically from the center. In France, it's not the case, and we try to avoid adjacent cells.

As you see, it's an herculean task !

JC"

Sport
8th August 2009, 06:20 PM
That pretty much seals Eulernet's fate...and JCM; as far as my personal opinion is concerned

garo
11th August 2009, 12:16 AM
I received a different email from him. It seems that the server is hosted on a different continent and the person responsible for the server is on vacation. He probably doesn't care much about the DC-Vault so his response may have been a reflection of the original email. I would leave the project on for a while. It is possible to get new work and report completed work. Just the stats are temporarily offline.

Razor_FX_II
11th August 2009, 04:44 AM
I received a different email from him. It seems that the server is hosted on a different continent and the person responsible for the server is on vacation. He probably doesn't care much about the DC-Vault so his response may have been a reflection of the original email. I would leave the project on for a while. It is possible to get new work and report completed work. Just the stats are temporarily offline.
Yeah he told me the same a week ago and said the stats would be done last Tuesday. Tomorrow will be 1 week later so I think he is full of it.

"From: Jean-Charles Meyrignac [mailto:jcmeyrignac@gmail.com (jcmeyrignac@gmail.com)] <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:13 PM<o:p></o:p>
To: Razor_FX_II
Subject: Re: Stats update?<o:p></o:p>

Greg just mailed me that the problem will be fixed Tuesday (he's back from home now).

Could you please wait until this day ?

BTW, I'd like to start a new distributed project: crosswords filling.
Do you think this could be of interest for your team ?

JC"

"On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Razor_FX_II
wrote:
Isn’t today Thursday?
Still no stat update."

"From: Jean-Charles Meyrignac [mailto:jcmeyrignac@gmail.com (jcmeyrignac@gmail.com)] <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:59 PM<o:p></o:p>
To: Razor_FX_II
Subject: Re: Stats update?<o:p></o:p>

"You are right.
The FTP server is still unreachable :-(((

Don't bother keeping my project, just delist it.
This will force me to work on my new project ;-)

JC"

Rusty
11th August 2009, 06:45 AM
Well if the project doesnt fix the stats, then it will be deactivated.

Lets give them 7 days for now

Zachariassen
13th August 2009, 10:02 AM
News on the Eulernet front page: -> http://euler.free.fr/

10th August 2009: As you may have noticed, the stats page has not been updated since the 14th of July. The problem is due to the fact that I cannot access to the FTP server containing the daily stats.
Don't worry, nothing is lost, since ranges continue to be assigned, and all computations are logged. I apologize for the inconvenience. Greg Childers has been contacted to solve this problem.

Razor_FX_II
19th August 2009, 06:56 PM
Well if the project doesnt fix the stats, then it will be deactivated.

Lets give them 7 days for now
Looks like they are not interested in updating there stats.
It has been 8 days since your post Rusty and they have been contacted many times about the problem.
http://euler.free.fr/top.htm
I feel that if they were going to update they would have had it done in the month + time since the last update.

My opinion is to remove EulerNet from the DC-Vault.

Rusty
22nd August 2009, 12:31 AM
Done....

KAMCOBILL
10th September 2009, 11:21 PM
OK UP AND RUNNING http://euler.free.fr/top.htm

Rusty
10th September 2009, 11:34 PM
From what a read, he wasnt interested in updating the stats for the Vault.. Is this perma?

Yankton
14th September 2009, 08:41 AM
From kamcobill's post, I looked at that link, is that their stats page? Are their stats officially up and running again?

Razor_FX_II
14th September 2009, 09:16 AM
Looks like it was updated once 4 days ago. They use to update daily.
One update in 2 months. Only time will tell.

frmky
19th September 2009, 07:40 AM
You can also obtain the EulerNet stats from the same continent (office, even) as the server at http://euler.myip.org/eulerstats (http://euler.myip.org/eulerstats/) A cron job now updates these daily.

KAMCOBILL
20th September 2009, 12:35 AM
Thank You Much!

garo
28th September 2009, 11:04 AM
It is updating regularly now - we've had daily updates for the past week - so I think the project should be added back on.

opyrt
28th September 2009, 12:30 PM
It is updating regularly now - we've had daily updates for the past week - so I think the project should be added back on.

Are you sure? I've only seen two updates. One yesterday and one two weeks ago.

I don't want to add it just to have someone argue to have it removed again in a week... :rolleyes:

garo
1st October 2009, 01:23 PM
I have seen updates on the 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th. They get transferred from the address frmky gave to the eulernet address a day late but they have come in every day for the past four days. frmky hosts the Euler stats server and if he says they are on a cronjob updating daily I see no reason not to believe him.

opyrt
1st October 2009, 02:59 PM
I have seen updates on the 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th. They get transferred from the address frmky gave to the eulernet address a day late but they have come in every day for the past four days. frmky hosts the Euler stats server and if he says they are on a cronjob updating daily I see no reason not to believe him.

It looks much better now, yes. But I answered your post on the 28th. ;-)
I saw no update on the 29th though, but it's impossible to know if the reason was that stats were not updated or if no WUs were finished that day. Anyways, We've decided to reactivate this project if (when) it has been updating stats successfully for a week. So if nothing strange happens, it'll be back this weekend.

garo
2nd October 2009, 01:33 PM
Ok thanks. I noted the timestamp on your original post but just wanted to provide information. Stats were updated again today so I think this is for real now.

opyrt
4th October 2009, 01:02 PM
I've activated EulerNet. Will appear on next run.

Please let us know if the project stats fail again.

opyrt
4th October 2009, 06:46 PM
BTW: there are still errors in the EulerNet stats, but team stats seems to not be affected. Let's see how this works out.

frmky
5th October 2009, 07:16 AM
frmky hosts the Euler stats server and if he says they are on a cronjob updating daily I see no reason not to believe him.
Actually I host the project server, generate the stats, and upload them for posting. An unexpected campus network rearrangement over the summer broke the scripts (though fortunately it didn't affect the access to the project server), and it took us a while to get something new set up.

I recently started NFS@Home, so I decided to just upload the EulerNet stats to that server as well. The favicon at http://euler.myip.org/eulerstats (http://euler.myip.org/eulerstats/) exposes the fact that it's actually the same server as http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs. :)