water cooling kit

[BLOOD]

hi,

i was wondering if any one knows where i can get a good water cooling kit from..and it needs to be a complete kit since this will be my first venture in water cooling..so i would like it to be a good kit with great instructions and a good price.

it will be used on a 1.2 amd or a 1900 xp system maybe a kk266 board which i already have or a xp333r or a kr7a

thanks for any help

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

Most of us that buy kits seem to prefer the AquaStealth II kit.
Here is a link to the site: http://becooling.safeshopper.com/1/cat1.htm?538 .

Also Danger Den has a kit, but a bit more expensive.

Good luck, I sure like my AquaStealth II kit.

[BLOOD]

thanks that looks very promising did you have any difficulties installing it...and no leaks of course i hope?

[BLOOD]

hi

one other thing are you just cooling cpu or are you also cooling video and hard drives with the water?

thanks

[lechumbl]

Hi again,

Piece of cake....very easy to install.

Just make sure you get out ALL the air pockets.

It is critical that you do that, if you don't you could get a bubble at the CPU and toast it VERY quickly.

If you get the kit, run it in a bucket of water, and turn the parts around and upside down in the water, making sure there are no pockets.

Once the air pockets are out, you will certainly enjoy the benefits.

Also, if you go Aquastealth II, it is a good idea that you go ahead and purchase the Lexan clamp kit at the bottom of the page. The one that comes with the kit is lacking a little in my comfort zone.

Let us know the results.

This is a edit cause as I was typing, I got your second post, so............I am just cooling my CPU. I have enough fans to cool the rest of my devices.

I don't think it warrents going the vid cooler route. My opinion only, of course

[BLOOD]

hmmm,

If you get the kit, run it in a bucket of water, and turn the parts around and upside down in the water, making sure there are no pockets.

can you be a little more specific on this part?
sorry:)

[lechumbl]

Hey there,

Sure, can be more specific........If you fill the kit with water, there is trapped air in the radiator, block, and tubes running in the circuit.

If you don't turn the devices in different angles to force out the unneeded air, you think it is air free, but really, it has a lot of trapped air in the radiator and water block. Turning it at different angles allow the air to escape.

The best way to see if there is air in the circuit is to run it OFF the CPU for a couple of hours and then turn it off for a couple of hours.

You will have any trapped air raise to the top or highest point in the circuit.

[BLOOD]

hi,

ok guys just about got everything for my water system just waiting
on pump...comming on slow boat from fed-x i guess..is it just me
or is fed-x getting slower these days?
any way a couple more questions before i tear into this bad boy:)
i noticed by looking at several rigs that people don't seem to be using clamps on the hoses that connect tubing to water blocks, radiators and pumps is this correct?..i bought six clamps for this purpose is this the way to go or not?
also i notice most people put there radiators either in the front or mounted on top of there cases with holes cut to the outside?..in my case it looks like the core will fit better mounted to the back panel that the mobo screws into i will have about 2-3 inches of space from the radiator and mobo with the radiator vented to that side panel and sandwiched between two 120mm fans...is there anything wrong with this?
and finally the connection order goes from pump to radiator to water block back to the pump?

thanks

what i got so far
Jagged edge water block 2 x 2 x 5/8" copper block
Aqua coil radiator 6.75x5x4.5".Inlet/outlet is 1/2" OD
High Output MaxiJet Pump/Tank Combo MaxiJet 1200, 295gph
Sunon 120mm Case fan 120x120x38mm 108 CFM of Air

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

Yes, use the clamps........the hoses may seem very tight now, but they loosen up and you will have a water leak without them.

I run from pump to radiator to block and back to pump.
You want the cool water from the radiator to go to the block.

Make sure that the two fans are working together and not against each other.

Good luck, and let us know when you get it together.

[dicki]

ummm.... i would suggest putting the radiator after the block... radiators are far more efficient with hot water, if the water has been sitting in the resovoir it will have allready lost a lot of heat

dicki

[lechumbl]

Hi Dicki,

I have to disagree with your assumption:
The pump is moving the water through the system, and it is not sitting in the resovoir. The purpose of the radiator fan is to take the heat out of the water as it passes through the radiator. It is at its coolest point in the radiator. From the radiator, the coolest water moves to the block, where it is again heated.

I have tried both water from radiator to block and the other way around and I have found that the radiator to block is a few degrees cooler that block to radiator.

BUT, my cooling rig is all inside a closed case, so if the cooling system is on the outside of the case, you may be right, I don't know.

My temps are very respectable, so I must stick with the way I have my system piped.

As I said, it MAY make a difference if the system is on the outside of the case.

Take care.

[minty_altoid]

Hmm... sounds like you're using your radiator as a water chiller as well as a heat remover.....

Thinking about it, if you have excess cooling capacity the water in the radiator will hit a temperature lower than you can keep the general coolant at, so then it goes through the block cooler

on the other hand, you're not cooling the coolant before returning it ot the resovoir... do you gat any problems with long term running? gradual temperature rises?

I'd put your main radiator after the core, to get rid of the heat and then another one before the core to chill the water.... but that's just me :D

MA

[lechumbl]

Hi minty_altoid,

"do you get any problems with long term running? gradual temperature rises?"

No, I have been running SETI 24/7 for over a year and the temps listed in my signature hold very true. Of course, in the summer, they rise a little, but that is not because of my cooling system, just ambiant temps.

[minty_altoid]

Hmm.... Where's your res in the loop?

[lechumbl]

Hi Again,

"Hmm.... Where's your res in the loop?"

Radiator to block to pump to radiator.

The 120 MM fan on Aquastealth II radiator is PULLING in cool air from front of case.

[minty_altoid]

Are you exausiting the air from the case well?

OK... so you don't have a seperate resovouir?

It's the "twenty questions" model of bullitin board discussion :D

[lechumbl]

Hi There,

I have two 92mm fans PULLING IN cool air at the bottom, two 92mm fans SUCKING OUT hot air in the back, one SUCKING OUT hot air out the top.

I also have my 120mm fan on my radiator PULLING IN cool air, two removable drive bays for my SCSI hard drives, each with two 40mm fans, and a 40mm fan on my bridge.

The rest of my perpherials are in a JBOD on the outside of the case.

There is really very little in the actual case that produce heat.
The PSU is about the only item, and it is running very cool........ Antec 400 Watt with Variable Speed Fan.

Nothing wrong with "20 questions"..... I just hope I have 20 answers. Make that 20 CORRECT answers.

Later, Gator!!

[BLOOD]

well
all the other fans shouldn't bother me i have one front fan that will come out when i install the water cooilng unit but i never put my sides on my cpu its always wide open but if i do ill use that front fan i pulled out and i have another to make blow holes on the side of my cpu case for more cooling
but i agree with lechenbul about the routing of the tubing sounds better and more efficient to me
but im a newbie so what do iknow newbie to water cooling that is :)

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

First, I want to apologize for taking over the thread and kind of getting off your subject a little bit.

Secondly, there are really no wrong ways to cool your system.
I prefer to run the radiator to the block, others don't. That's fine.

It is like asking someone what is better, a Ford or a Chevy. You will get a lot of reasons as to which is better......it boils down to what is best for YOU.

Good luck and let us know how it goes and what you decide.

Take care.

[BLOOD]

hi,

**** lechenbul you gave me so much help i don't mind you saying your tried true methods man if i havent said it thakns i really appreciate a guy like you helping me out...but like you said to each his own i prefer your method..and ill get back with ya when fed-x finds my pump i call and they have to track it now:(

but again thanks man
a true bud for all who come here looking for help

[JMke]

anybody have experiences with Z4 watercooling kit? (http://hwfaq.overclockersonline.com/goto.php?id=1433)


:offtopic: -> boards looks... very.. metalic.. lost a bit of it's soul imho

[Silversaver]

Hi,

If you gonna spend 180 for that kit, perhaps you should just buy my water kit.... It works lot better than those standard kits.... Trust me...

[BLOOD]

hi,

ok guys got the water kit together few more questions?

1. after filling it and checking for leaks and turning pump off
does the water suppose to completly fill the hoses mine on
shut down has a little part of the hose that doesnt have water
in it?
2. i hope the block gets cooler than what it was when i was leak
testing it although i didnt have the 120 mm fans power on at that
time?


thanks

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

Sounds like you still have air in the hose.
Turn the components in several direction, and this will move the trapped air out of the radiator, water block, and pump. Do this several times, each time turning off the system for a while and letting the trapped air go to the top. Fill with water, then redo again. This takes a lot of time.

OR, there are bleeder valves that can be purchased and placed in line, that helps a lot also in taking out the air.

It is very important that the trapped air get taken out. You don't need an air bubble in the water block, can cause CPU to burn up in a matter of seconds or less.

Good luck!!

[JMke]

Originally posted by lechumbl
can cause CPU to burn up in a matter of seconds or less.

Good luck!!

lol, how to scare the **** out someone :)
after reading that , I'd be very very very carefull before putting my system on water :D

[BLOOD]

hi,

so after shutting down are you saying all the lines should be
completely filled with water?

[lechumbl]

Hi JMke and Blood,

JMke.....Not any more to worry about with water than if you put an air cooled heatsink on incorrectly.....You burn up a CPU just as fast.

Blood........I am saying that you need to run the water system by itself, until ALL the air is out of the lines. This way, you can not burn up the CPU if it is not on. After you run the water system for a while, turn it off. Let it set for a couple of hours and the air will raise to the top of the tube. Fill with water and repeat until after turning it off for a couple of hours, there is no air in tubes, radiator, and block.

After getting out all the air, put on thermal paste and away you go.

Like I said earlier, it takes time, but if done correctly, it is the best thing since sliced bread.

[BLOOD]

hi,

ok another question what if you move your system and then air goes into line is this just a matter of it loosing its prime from tank or what?
ive let it sit and move tank around to try to get air to come in lines but when i fill it just comes out of another connection when i add more water? i try to plug other connection and get as much as i can in but still loose a little when reconnecting?

thanks

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

I don't know where you are taking the air out from.

I recommend that you take it out from where the block is. That should be the highest point in the water system. Undo the lower tube on the water block. Pour water in the tube that you have disconnected. Do this rather slowly, as sooner or later, water will come out of the waterblock. As water starts to come out of the block, place your finger over the block connector. Fill the tube up the rest of the way, and CAREFULLY replace the tube back on the waterblock connector. If careful, this will cause almost no water to spill.

And since you don't have the water system in the PC yet, you don't have to worry about getting the mobo or anything else wet.

Do not put the water system in the PC until all is correct. Saves shorting out anything.

[BLOOD]

hi,

well i think i got all the air out i could..got it fired up now and i am in the bios with steady 32 c temp in bios and windows under via hardware monitor for now after about 2 minutes hope im doing good

regards

[lechumbl]

Hi Blood,

Looks like the temps are very good for idle.

Let it run tonight, and start playing with it tomorrow.

Also, remember, there MAY still be a little air in the line, so after you shut it down, remember to keep an eye on it before you restart for a few days.

Nothing to it, huh?

[BLOOD]

holy cow,

over clocked to 1.4 and in windows and in game and temp rock solid at 37 celcius usually i was at 45 + this is looking promising
got a 1.2 t bird at 10.5 x 133 so far and rock solid
great temp too those two 120 m fans are freezing me feet ..hahaha

[BLOOD]

yea

with all your help thanks man your a great forum member yea ill
keep a good eye on her, but so far so good.

thanks for all the help lech

regards