Removal: Moneybee

[Katisu]

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[russkris]

Thanks for letting us know mate....

Anyone else????

[umccullough]

Hmm... I haven't run it in a couple months myself - but yes, it appears to be currently "out of work".

Is there any sort of guideline as to how long a project might go without work before it gets yanked?

[russkris]

I think as soon as someone says a project has no work. we should start to look at why first, and if it is plain as, servers are down or something, then we will wait a while..

[Beyond (Ars)]

Two of us from Ars Technica have tried to get work from this project for more than a month.
Nothing but crashed clients. Both of us ran this project a lot when it worked.

[russkris]

:sign: Another one bites the dust

[Da-Grizz]

WHOOAA There Sir Russkisss !!

Da_Grizz has been getting work from MoneyBee (Uninterupted) for many months !! (And years ) now .

Seems this project was proposed for removal from the 31st March 2008. It is now 3rd April 2008 , and this project has been removed without the normal (admittedly slow and convoluted) say so here . A one week action is slightly - umm - hasty nes p'as :)
HOW come the proposal of a project to be admited (Say - for example Travelling Salesman , aka TSP) which covers all of the DC Vault RULES , has not been admitted after over 4 months of the first proposal ?
Is it because MoneyBee is not a BOINC project ? (Or pointedly something else ?)
If this is the general case , please consider remove'in Prime Sierpinski Problem PRP project , Prime Sierpinsky Problem Sieve ,Riesel Sieve Project Sieve , and Seventeen Or Bust Sieve . ALL of which DO not admit now to the DC Vault rules :rolleyes:

Off of soap box :rolleyes:

Da-Grizz

[russkris]

So is money bee alive or dead?

Thanks for remiding me about TSP

[BlisteringSheep]

As best as I can tell, the ability to get work is geography related. I know of several users (on other teams) in North America that haven't been able to get any work for a few months now, while some in Europe have been able to. No one who has tried has been able to get a response from the project admins on the problems.

[Da-Grizz]

So is money bee alive or dead?

Thanks for remiding me about TSP

MoneyBee is still alive here in the UK for me . (200+ points in the last week)

I have no knowledge of problems in the USA .

Having said that , if MoneyBee is not giving out work to non-European countrys , we (and you) need to know , and removal may well be in order after some more input into this forea .

Regds Da_Grizz


PS Another Nudge for TSP :) Please ?

[fractal]

PS Another Nudge for TSP :) Please ?

Are you getting work for TSP?

According to http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=tsp , it has not had work for a week, and according to http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/ they have a problem, they know they have a problem and they don't have any idea how to fix it.

I don't know whether Moneybee has work, but it does appear that the project you are pushing so hard does NOT.

[KAMCOBILL]

TSP Seems to be working for me. Team Stats (http://www.xgrubberskickass.com/php/Teams/TravelingSalesmanProblem.php)

Edited:

USA Here. Went 9 months with MoneyBee HG crashing in 2007. Finally got it going with screensave though the end of 2007. Stopped getting work about 2 months ago. Had a couple in HG Client and ran them out last month. Team Stats (http://www.xgrubberskickass.com/php/Teams/MoneyBee.php).

I forgot to mention Predictor @ Home is up and running.

[KAMCOBILL]

So is money bee alive or dead?

Thanks for remiding me about TSP

Rusty,

MoneyBee is Very Much Alive!

Bill

[russkris]

Thanks Bill... Keep me up to date with this project

[KAMCOBILL]

OK. Will Do. I don't think the Windows HG is working though. I went to download page and it isn't listed there anymore either and I can't get it to work. That's the only problem I see is no GUI just screensaver for windows. Can't tell you anything about the others. I can't get anything to run on my Ubuntu/Linux except BOINCManager 5.10.21 and nothing else. I'm going to download the linux and see if I can get it to work tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[Da-Grizz]

Do a Google on Moneybee .

Or go here .
http://www.moneybee.net/


Certainly not dead

Da-Grizz

PS : Edit ----Russty - the link on DC Vault for moneybee is not correct , some characters are missing .

[russkris]

Hmmmm.. Yes I found that the Vault was missing a few letters, the other day when I decided to visit the hompage...:lol:


This is really strange... I cant understand how they can send work to some but not to others......

[Da-Grizz]

The fact that there is still a web site means nothing. By that argument pisegment (http://www.pisegment.net) should be added back.

The fact is moneybee is not allowing several users to connect and download work units. The admins are non-responsive. The project should be removed. <- period

PS.
Some complaints on other forums:
http://www.amdusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5055&page=9
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/122097561/m/321001689831


Greetings Katisu .

Well I went to the above Moneybee link , downloaded the Windows background client , installed it on a new machine and it works , downloading a work unit and crunching .
Perhaps you should try downloading that client and install (Prob'ly after de-installing your present Moneebee set up )
Or perhaps you should check your Firewall/router etc for complicity .

Regds Da-Grizz .

[KAMCOBILL]

It looks like they were down for about a day or so. No work was coming down. It's back up and runniing now.

I do agree about the support from the Project Admin. But, maybe they don't have english speaking there.

[Al Dente]

I started on MoneyBeee a couple of weeks ago, just to get access to the Stats.

I've had no problems with the website at all.

The client downloaded and installed without any problems and it's run fine since then (I occasionally get a "can't contact" message, but I suspect that's more because I've got a fairly aggressive Majestic12 setting, plus 17 BOINCs, 17 DIMES and 60-odd EONs running than any MoneyBee problem).

I use the site every day, and it's been responsive every time, more so than several other stats sites I visit. I haven't tried to use their Forum, so I can't comment about that.

BTW, that was a massive vote for continued inclusion.

Al Dente (KWSN) - English (NOT British;))

Another BTW - the site doesn't display properly using Opera, but Firefox & Explorer are fine (the same applies to BOINCStats).

[KAMCOBILL]

I'm not sure if is just a USA problem. I don't think it is. To make sure what I think it is, Post the same info :

KAMCOBILL, USA - Not Receiving Work
Registered since 10.01.2006
In Team: X Grubbers kick ass since 10.01.2006

[umccullough]

However, after some more research I found that moneybee is using some sort of P2P technology (why?) and that may be the cause. This would explain a lot of problems in the US where there is a lot of recent blocking going on in regards to P2P.


Ah, you would be referring to everyone's favorite ISP: Comcast ;)


I'll have to give moneybee another try - as my US-based ISP is pretty favorable of all internet traffic and doesn't "manage" their network so aggressively :D Last time I tried MB though, it was very clearly not working and I uninstalled all the client software, so hopefully that won't happen again this time.

[Da-Grizz]

I'm not sure if is just a USA problem. I don't think it is. To make sure what I think it is, Post the same info :

KAMCOBILL, USA - Not Receiving Work
Registered since 10.01.2006
In Team: X Grubbers kick ass since 10.01.2006

KWSN Da-Grizz UK - Receiving work
Registered 15/11/2005
Team KWSN

Regds Da-Grizz

[KAMCOBILL]

Thanks Da-Grizz,

I forgot to ask for location. MoneyBee is down today, at least from the USA. I can't reach the site and Clients aren't connecting to their server.

I know so far that there's a user or maybe IP issue of some kind. I'm running Satellite and cable and checking out whether changing the clients IP is causing any problems connecting. But, since they are down I'll have to wait untill they are back up from here.

Happy Crunching,

Bill

[Da-Grizz]

Ni and good morning Sir Kamcobill !!

I see you are submitting work again on MoneyBee now (Kamcobill2 ?) in the X Grubbers Kick Ass team .
Would you agree that this project is not dead ?

My Location is in the UK .

Regds Da-Grizz

[Ungelovende]

Had to test moneybee again....

Ungelovende - Bergen, Norway Receiving loads of work
Registered since: 08.09.2007
In team: Team Norway since 08.09.2007

[KAMCOBILL]

Ni and good morning Sir Kamcobill !!

I see you are submitting work again on MoneyBee now (Kamcobill2 ?) in the X Grubbers Kick Ass team .
Would you agree that this project is not dead ?

My Location is in the UK .

Regds Da-Grizz

It's Alive for sure. But, there a problem with IP Address and/or Usernames of some sort. I'm trying to figure it out though. Since some users have been signed up for a long time and still working and new users sign up and work, it seems like it may be IP. I have been running 3 different connections (Cable, Satellite and Dialup).

I can't find a common link to the problem, yet. I'll keep working on it untill I can pin it down. :D So far, I have 2 accounts that will run and 3 that won't. They ran for a while on Cable and Satellite. Since, I can't run all 16 PC on cable I have to switch some off to the Satellite which worked. Then, on last switch, the Satellite ones crashed which were running on Cable (And will work if I switch back to Cable. My next step is to reset my Modems and Router. to see if I can get them to run (Hopefull it won't stop all of them :rolleyes:. My KAMCOBILL won't run on anything anymore. I think it's because my cable changed my IP (which I think is why I can run it for a while and then it quits and then starts working again when they switch the IP back).

I enjoy a challenge, but it sure would be easier with some support. As far as I know, this is the only projects with this problem out of about 120 projects. Not to worry though, when I'm sure I found the problem I post it.

Happy Crunching to All

Bill

[KAMCOBILL]

Had to test moneybee again....

Ungelovende - Bergen, Norway Receiving loads of work
Registered since: 08.09.2007
In team: Team Norway since 08.09.2007


Thanks. So far US (my location) is having the problem. I don't know if everyone IP change, but my Satellite and Cable both does. I don't think it's the gateway because they are the same and never change.

Thanks

Bill

[Da-Grizz]

Ni and Hi Bill .
Thanks for your input .
As Bill said in the previous posts , can some others please post their ability to run MoeyBee , their location , etc .
Inquirin' minds wanna know the extent (solution) of this strange problem .

Regds Da-Grizz

[russkris]

This is a really weird problem... Why are some given work and some not....

I will keep it in the Vault until we can find out whats the deal..

Anyone got a contact at Moneybee or something

[Gunslinger]

There have been some strange routing issues on the transatlantic internet crossings over the last few months. Some attributable to the spat between Cogent and Telia, but not all. I know that the KWSN are having problems with their forum (www.kwsnforum.com) due to routing black holes - possibly at GlobalCrossing. I can only access their site through one of my three ISPs...

Although I don't crunch on this project, I don't feel that it should be removed if it is inaccessible due to the actions of the intermediate carriers...

:cowboy:

[Ungelovende]

"Alas, due to the different legal systems of Germany and the United States, we presently can not offer our Premium service to US-citizens or residents. We are sorry about this and hope to find a solution of legal certainty within this year! "

http://uk.moneybee.net/ueber_premium.asp

US blocking the site?

[russkris]

Hmmm Very weird

[Beyond (Ars)]

"Alas, due to the different legal systems of Germany and the United States, we presently can not offer our Premium service to US-citizens or residents. We are sorry about this and hope to find a solution of legal certainty within this year! "


http://uk.moneybee.net/ueber_premium.asp


Now the message has been changed to: Alas, due to the different legal systems of Germany and the United States, we presently can not offer our Premium service to US-citizens or residents. We are sorry about this and hope to find a solution of legal certainty within this year!
So if you are neither US-citizen nor US-resident you can get a free test account for ww.moneybee.net ( English language, also french and italian). After the non-German sites of our service have developed sufficiently, you get an offer for our premium service (then the free test account will be closed). US citizens who are interested in our service, can place a reservation of free trial account and will get information as soon as the service is available (premium@moneybee.net) So it seems that now we are banned in the US after many of us have run MoneyBee for years. I think it's unfair and that the project should be de-vaulted. One of the rules requires open registration. If open registration returns, put it back in the vault, but for now it isn't open and hasn't been for a long time.

It also sounds as if the non-German accounts are going to be moved to "Premium" accounts. I read that as pay accounts. Another good reason to boot it.

[KAMCOBILL]

I don't think the Distributed Computing is Banned since people in the US are running it, including myself.

That Article seem to be referring to the stocks because we don't have a Premium Account. But, if not MoneyBee is sending work to the US. For the last week it has been down twice for a couple of hours and that's the only problem I can see, other than the User ID and IP Address.

There's plenty of work so crunch on.

[russkris]

Moneybee removed... The activity on the forum was good but could hold off..

[KAMCOBILL]

What DC-Vault reason/rule was this project removed?

[russkris]

if registration is not available to US citizens then it should be removed.

Well long enough to find out the hell is going on, it does not seem like I will please everyone. For people outside the USA and inside
If I keep it there, people inside the US will complain and if I remove it I get complaints from others...

[Al Dente]

Definitely a (UK) complaint - What is so special about the USA?

O.K., they provide a fair proportion of the total DC community, but there are lots of us who don't have the (perhaps dubious) "advantages" of US residence.

If, for legal (probably US legal) reasons, US citizens can't partake of the full MoneyBee facilities, is that any reason to deprive the other 95%** of the world's population with the chance to compete?

very :fuming:

Al Dente

** 301 million:6 billion+

[KAMCOBILL]

Thanks Rusty,

I was just trying to figure out why a project giving out tons of work and accepting new user was removed. :confused:

I crunch all the projects so it doesn't matter which one are in the Vault. But, I do have to give a (US) complaint, even though, MoneyBee is a pain for taking up my CPU time. :D

Thanks again,

Bill

[Da-Grizz]

Perhaps Rusty , you should look at some other INCLDED DC Vault projects that NOW do not accept new registration (They default to Boinc) . Will you remove them as well ?
Enquiring(*) minds wanna to know .

Regds Da-Grizz .

PS : If you lived in CXhina (*) , you would not be allowed to Google (tm) this ********** site from CXhina , and Google is a USA provider !!! Is the Internet to be censored here as well ? (I DO speak from experience)

PPS : NOT Happy , the above ************* site might be banned also here with a Precedent like this .

PPPS : The "**************" edited to make you look and see the danger . If you think this is about points , Think again

[Beyond (Ars)]

http://uk.moneybee.net/ueber_premium.asp


Now the message has been changed to: Alas, due to the different legal systems of Germany and the United States, we presently can not offer our Premium service to US-citizens or residents. We are sorry about this and hope to find a solution of legal certainty within this year! So if you are neither US-citizen nor US-resident you can get a free test account for ww.moneybee.net ( English language, also french and italian). After the non-German sites of our service have developed sufficiently, you get an offer for our premium service (then the free test account will be closed). US citizens who are interested in our service, can place a reservation of free trial account and will get information as soon as the service is available (premium@moneybee.net)

I have written the MoneyBee admins concerning this and the only answer I've gotten has been silence. Others have written and the answer is always the same: no reply. In addition: from the message above it seems clear that MoneyBee is transitioning to a pay only service and that free accounts are being phased out. If the MoneyBee people would like to come here and post an explanation I'm sure we would all welcome them. If they won't bother. that's their choice. I put in a lot of work on MB and was #2 on our team. I don't like that work going for nothing, but the path at this point seems clear.

[KAMCOBILL]

That can't apply to running the project. I'm a US Citizen, Live in the US. Running the project from the US, and don't have a Premium Account. :confused:

[russkris]

Step right up, come and see that money bee has been added back to the vault... step right up ladies and gentlemen complainers... Come one come all.....
Rusty cant please everyone, will spend the next year adding it one day and remove it the next.

Flame away... again....

[DigitalConcepts]

That can't apply to running the project. I'm a US Citizen, Live in the US. Running the project from the US, and don't have a Premium Account. :confused:
I mean something is going on.

I'm another one (from U.S.) that can't get any work (1 month) - Comcast.

Can we find any other U.S. citizens besides KAMCOBILL that are getting work? And if you can, is it because of a work around (ex. saying you're European, using a proxy, ...)?

[Beyond (Ars)]

Step right up, come and see that money bee has been added back to the vault... step right up ladies and gentlemen complainers... Come one come all.....
Rusty cant please everyone, will spend the next year adding it one day and remove it the next.

Flame away... again....

Rusty, I don't envy your job. :-)

We're going to start a project cataloging snowflakes and only allow people from Minnesota to participate, well maybe Thunder Bay too if they pay us.

[Beyond (Ars)]

That can't apply to running the project. I'm a US Citizen, Live in the US. Running the project from the US, and don't have a Premium Account. :confused:

KAMCOBILL, I wrote to MB about why you're getting work and the rest of us aren't. They said that they didn't consider West Virginia part of the US.

JUST KIDDING!

Actually, I did write, but haven't received a reply. I'm not holding my breath.

[KAMCOBILL]

Hehe. That's true about WV. :) Yeah, and will never get an answer.:rolleyes:

All I did is create a new user account because I couldn't get work and it was crashing Windows, did a clean install and run screensaver. HG doesn't run and isn't in download directory anymore.

I'm running it on comcast but Satellite won't run. It has something to do with IP addresses changing. I don't know what's causing it, been working on it for some time. Someone had it posted to somewhere (I don't remember where) that delete the moneybee.dat file and it'll start running, except I don't have one it in my moneybee directory.

Do a new install, select new username, register it and crunch away. :D

Edited: When my IP changes back from 71.xx.xx.x to 24.xx.xx.x, I'll have to change back to KAMCOBILL from KAMCOBILL2.

[Cow_tipping]

MoneyBee is back on the DC-Vault list?

[Beyond (Ars)]

> So if you are neither US-citizen nor US-resident you can get a free test account for ww.moneybee.net

It's now 2 weeks since I wrote the MoneyBee admins asking about this. Of course no answer. Of course there is no forum either. Rusty, could you try e-mailing them? If they ban participation from some countries (and even citizens of that country) and won't answer e-mail, is it fair to include them in the DC-Vault? I can't even look at my account or team anymore since it's been too long since I returned a result, which is of course because they banned US users :-(

[russkris]

I totally agree... But you see the problem I face is, if I remove it everyone kicks up a fuss and if I leave it there everyone kicks up a fuss..

I agree, if they don't include the whole world and cant even reply to emails then it should be removed

So on that note, I will be removing MB, until we get this sorted out