New Project: Sierpinski/Riesel Base 5 Project

[em99010pepe]

Sierpinski/Riesel Base 5 Project

http://www.team-ninja.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=39937

[em99010pepe]

Is this project ready for DC-Vault?

Carlos

[PCZ]

I also request this be added to the vault.

[PCZ]

Is there a problem adding this project ?

[russkris]

We need some response on how it runs, ups, downs

[em99010pepe]

The client is stable. More here:

http://www.mersenneforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=54

We need some response on how it runs, ups, downs

[Biggles]

I don't really think adding these projects is a good idea.

The first reason is that Base 5 is one of an infinite set of projects. Why add Base 5 but not all the other Bases? Sure, Base 5 is the only one with proper stats just now, but what about when Base 6 gets added? Or all the bases up to 23, which is what I think the highest anyone working on the bases is working on just now. Do we add 46 projects?

Aside from the fact we're talking about an infinite set of projects (because there is an infinite amount of bases), it's also of no actual scientific value.

So I just don't think these projects are suited to the Vault. It's up to the bosses of the Vault obviously, but I think a bit of discernment should be shown rather that just adding every project under the sun.

[vaio]

Agreed, to a point.
I think that if lots of new projects are going to be added, assuming they meet vault criteria, then I think projects that seriously falter/come to an end should be removed.

For example, I don't know what the situation is with Red Library DLV but I don't think their site has been accessible for some time.
At least not the page the vault links to.

The plethora of math projects is starting to get out of hand.
Personally I think more emphasis should be put on the first two categories rather than the latter two.
But of course that is only a personal opinion. :)

[vaio]

Addendum:

I think adding projects if fine but if they prove unreliable over a period of time they should be removed or at least suspended from the stats.

[em99010pepe]

Biggles (http://www.team-ninja.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=2441),

I know you are not interested as an Ars member but the project should be added. It's as valid as SOB, Riesel and PSP.
95% of DC projects are trash. We have to be clear, we run for the stats and not for the goal of the project.

So please add this project to DC-Vault.

Carlos

[Biggles]

We have a few members who run this, we've just not formed a team for it. As the leading prime number team across all projects, of course we're interested.

All I'm saying is that it's not wise to add one of an infinite set of projects to the Vault. GIMPS is a finite set of projects (primality testing and factoring), SoB is a finite set of projects (primality testing and sieving), Riesel is a finite set of projects (primality testing, sieving and P1 factoring (which itself could be added and I asked for it before)) and so on.

However, the bases are infinite, so the projects are infinite. If I go away and write stats for each base up to say 20, do you add 40 different projects?

There needs to be a touch of common sense applied so that the Vault actually has any value. Please don't add the base projects.

EDIT - Nice to know that you think I'm saying this only because I'm an Arsian. FWIW, we'd be second the moment we formed a team and also I was the one who requested the addition of Riesel P-1 factoring to the Vault, despite the fact Free-DC is the leader in it. This has nothing to do with what team I'm on.

[PCZ]

Biggles

I agree with you that all the maths projects are worthless.
Probably be best to remove them all starting with gimps and sob.

[em99010pepe]

Remove all math project where Ars is first....good point....

Now that Ars is first at DC-Vault can this project be added to DC-Vault?

Carlos

[Biggles]

PCZ, I never said that all maths projects were worthless. But yeah, Riesel and PSP and SoB are actually of no scientific value. Neither are many other projects to be fair. GIMPS funnily enough is though, but that's irrelevant.

My objection to Base 5 is nothing to do with being an Arsian and trying to be first. My objection is based on the fact that there are many many bases and each one would have to be added for it to be fair. It's an infinite set of bases, each with a Riesel and Sierpinski "project". What's the cutoff point for adding them all to the Vault? Five bases? Ten bases? Twenty bases? We could add more than a hundred extra "projects" to the Vault and still not be finished. But by then it'd have become so messed up the Vault would be worthless.

[Adywebb]

I suppose a projects worth will always be a matter of opinion and subjecture, but generally I'm with Biggles on this.....

I tend to stick to Medical/Biological projects I perceive to have merit - I may be wrong and others may disagree - we all make our own choices.

[vaio]

Getting overrun with math stuff