Remove Übero?

[bzm]

I was checking out this project and found the following description (http://www.ubero.com/projectprofile.asp?pid=4):
It was launched as Ubero's first project for University of California's Institute of Genomics and Bioinformatics but was finished long ago. It is used as our primary "test project" and the results that are returned are discarded. I know this is not against the rules for inclusion in the vault, but think it should be. By keeping it in the vault, it encourages teams to run a completely useless project to improve their overall scores.

Yes, it may be hard to judge the "usefulness" of some projects, but this one does state it quite clearly.

Opinions, anyone? :)

[Ragnarog]

I agree that when a project officially says its a test project (I remember pirates@home for example) then it should not be icluded in the vault.

Rag

[N.V.M.]

frig frag. i just wasted over 300 hours(2 comps) on this over the past week. :mad:

[Fireblade]

frig frag. i just wasted over 300 hours(2 comps) on this over the past week. :mad:
I can understand your frustration in relation to the SSS/DC Vault Mike... so what I'm about to say may be of little consequence to you...
but of course nothing is ever "wasted" in regard to the benefits to science (or whatever) of DC projects ;)

I admit to knowing nothing about Übero... but I'm sure your efforts in the project over the past week, will have been/are greatly appreciated by someone... somewhere :cool:

[russkris]

Indeed FB.... I agree totally

[Ragnarog]

I can understand your frustration in relation to the SSS/DC Vault Mike... so what I'm about to say may be of little consequence to you...
but of course nothing is ever "wasted" in regard to the benefits to science (or whatever) of DC projects ;)

I admit to knowing nothing about Übero... but I'm sure your efforts in the project over the past week, will have been/are greatly appreciated by someone... somewhere :cool:

Thats just it, according to the project description, the results generated now are _discarded_

Rag

[bzm]

So - who decides if Ubero stays or not? :teeter:

[russkris]

Nanobot, Ragnarog and myself :D

[Toutouf]

Ubero...
TNT #22 (8960 DC-Vault points) Running this since 10/2/2002
Ninja #29 (8613 DCVp) Running since 2/15/2003

Removing will help Ninja to catch us...
... TNT (at least one member) says :
Remove it ! Don't want to fight about "archived" projects !

:wave:

[russkris]

I think it will stay for the time beening..

It'll just make the :thwack: back, even more sweeter :jab:

[lonewolfz28]

Ubero...
TNT #22 (8960 DC-Vault points) Running this since 10/2/2002
Ninja #29 (8613 DCVp) Running since 2/15/2003

Removing will help Ninja to catch us...
... TNT (at least one member) says :
Remove it ! Don't want to fight about "archived" projects !

:wave:
Go ahead, we'll make up the difference elsewhere.:cool: We're already rallying past crunchers that have a renewed interest because of the Vault. We're in the process of recruiting new crunchers that have a competitive side. So be it.:)

[wyles]

:thumbsup:
great to hear.

[lonewolfz28]

I agree that when a project officially says its a test project (I remember pirates@home for example) then it should not be icluded in the vault.

Rag
There are actually a couple projects included in the Vault that are considered "alpha" i.e. test, by BOINC. uFluids is one of them, Primegrid is another. I've heard rumors of MalariaControl and LeidenClassical being added to the Vault. These are also "Alpha" or test projects according to BOINC.

In the end, it doesn't matter as long as the science is solid, the servers are reliable and the client is stable.:cool:

[russkris]

Africa@Home(malariaControl) is not takeing any more testers, so it might be awhile for that one.. I went to register, awhile back, somebody emailed me to let me know, but by the time I went to, they had filled the 500 spots available

LeidenClassical, not the most exciting BOINC to crunch, but I have created a Team and I believe others can join, I don't know what will happen when it turn full steam ahead.. Units are very tiny 8-15kb to D/L and crunch in about 1-10 mintues, with a score of 0.01-8points

But any project can be added to the Vault

PS: Great to hear your members are coming back, because of the Vault

[Ragnarog]

I think it might be time to add a rule saying:

The results generated by the clients must be taken into consideration by the project maintainers

I think we're looking at a cross forum poll here or rather a poll on our site with invites all over the place to come and vote as we don't want the Vault tobe seen a means to an end of TN to thwack TNT or others by removing or adding projects when it fits our needs ;)

Rag

[russkris]

Indeed Sir Rag's

You setting it up?

I think Just the Vault forum will be fine, let the visitors spread the word..

[russkris]

I'll be happy to do a bit of posting on the ad sites..

Remove Ubero or not to? VOTE HERE
and insert the URL

[Toutouf]

...we don't want the Vault tobe seen a means to an end of TN to thwack TNT or others by removing or adding projects when it fits our needs ;)

Rag

No doubt for me. I was teasing about as a joke.
Anyway, DC-Vault points and ranks are only what they are : numbers.
All this is funny, but I hope crunchers do it for science to.

Keep doing it the best you can. (And you do it well). Most of us couldn't do better.
If some are not OK with it, they can create their own Vault !

The only think that would make me unhappy would be removing Euler project. Not because I'm better on it, but because it's the only french project. (And I'm french...). I know his stats are not very frequently updated, but the guy who manages it looks alone for it... It's exactly the kind of "little" project that the Vault can help growing and being more popular !

David VALVERDE (Team-TNT little member)

[lonewolfz28]

I think it might be time to add a rule saying:

The results generated by the clients must be taken into consideration by the project maintainers

I think we're looking at a cross forum poll here or rather a poll on our site with invites all over the place to come and vote as we don't want the Vault tobe seen a means to an end of TN to thwack TNT or others by removing or adding projects when it fits our needs ;)

Rag
It wasn't really seen as a ploy by TN to catch back up to us so please don't take it that way. I'm actually cool with it as I don't have any time invested in it. To be honest, I can't remember the last time anyone had significant points movement in it.

Either it's an active project or it isn't. This type of thing will probably come back to haunt us more if D2OL borks the stats again during their next transition.

I'm actually more agitated with projects that are unreliable than anything. Take EON for instance. How much you can gain on another team depends more on whether you're willing to leave a few clients trying to make the occasional contact, than how much power you're willing to commit or how good the science is.:mad:

Right now we're making slow headway, but frustration with the project could lead to people taking it off their computers. Then if they suddenly start giving out projects again, it could boost a group that's been letting it sit idle up a few places very quickly.

As it turns out, the same teams keep it running in hopes of getting some dregs of WU's and they all move together with no significant gains. That's not a lot of fun although it does reward the patient.

[LinearB]

My 2p.

I think we should have some kind of rule where projects that have reached the status of Ubero are put up as possible candidates for eviction from the DC-Vault. Any team then can comment on the proposal. We can then take a virtual show of hands and if necessary remove the project.

This could be temporary and if the project restart it can be easily added back again.

I would like to think we keep test projects in the vault as long as they meet the usual criteria. i.e. open to anybody that wants to join. Projects that only allow a select number of beta testers shouldn't be allowed in, until they have been proven.

DC isn't perfect nor is the DC-Vault but hopefully if we can keep it fun and talk about any problems we have freely, things should work out :)

[umccullough]

Regardless of whether the work done for Ubero is any use - it appears to be completely down now... can anyone else actually do work for this project successfully?

I personally think a rule should be added that if a project doesn't make work units available for a certain period of time, it is deemed "Archived" until further notice.

[Webmaster Yoda]

From the FAQ:

Project eligibility is governed by the following guidelines:

The project must:
* be active
* accept new members and teams immediately upon registration
* have parsable team stats
* have team stats that are updated regularly
* provide a client program which runs on a local PC

Is it failing one or more of those criteria? If yes, is the project still eligible to be included?

And just to show that I'm not biased against projects my team is not participating in, what about Seasonal Attribution Project? They stopped issuing work units in October 2006 (but are still accepting work units that are still "out there").

[umccullough]

And just to show that I'm not biased against projects my team is not participating in, what about Seasonal Attribution Project? They stopped issuing work units in October 2006 (but are still accepting work units that are still "out there").


No, i understand the requirements... I'm just failing to see how it's fair :)

I also cannot do any work for Seasonal Attribution - as I came in late and there is no work.

Update: Seasonal Attribution still allows submission of work that has been obtained - I can't even get the Ubero client to login to the server - it just errors. The project appears to be finished AND the server appears to be down... is that true? That's what I'm referring to - and it's slightly different than Seasonal Attribution.

On the other hand, BBC Climate Change is no longer allowing new users, and neither is Predictor@Home - why are they still on the list?

[Toutouf]

... I can't even get the Ubero client to login to the server - it just errors. The project appears to be finished AND the server appears to be down... is that true? That's what I'm referring to ...

Same for me.
And on their homepage (http://www.ubero.com/default.asp) you can read : » Status: Down (http://www.ubero.com/netstatus.asp).

[Biggles]

Ubero should be removed. It fails on the first criterion for inclusion to the Vault, it's not active.

It doesn't show any sign of coming back either, and the science (if there is any) is completely wasted.

Seasonal Attribution is another story however, it's been officially extended and does have work.

[russkris]

Thanks Biggles