SW:Episode 2 discussion (WITH spoilers)

[The Therion]

STORY : fairly decent,not great ,but it attempted to analyzed some characters,show the double faced Palpatine,Anakin's arrogance etc.Should have been better,but it passes.

DIALOGUES : Veeery plain.Hundreds of fans could have come up with them.Lucas is not a scriptwriter and it shows.

ACTING :

Anakin : Tried...but failed.
Amidala : Portman is fine and will get better.
Palpatine : Great as always.Cool voice.
Obi-Wan : Whilst McGregor is a good actor,Lucas managed somehow to make the character look rather weak and ...not too bright.Shame on Lucas for this charachter...
Windu : Jackson is almost always good.Here he's ok.Didnt look comfortable with the lightsaber scenes though...
Lord Tyranus : Christopher Lee is once again suberb ! http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/Defiant/sm/notworthy.gif

VISUAL+SOUND EFFECTS : Very very good technicaly.BUT.....Someone has to inform Lucas that Star Wars is NOT CARTOONS ! And i'm not talking about Jar-Jar.Do you remember the chase in the meteor rings between Obi Wan and Jenga-Fett ? Well that was SO UNREALISTIC (the chase not the explosions).Especially the missile chase :rolleyes:

MUSIC : Great.
COSTUMES DESIGN : Great
PHOTOGRAPHY : Great (and beautifull scenery.
CHOREOGRAPHY : Not up to the standards a film like this should have.First of all there was WAY too much lightsaber swinging,much like in Episode 1.This is ridiculous.If you want to parry something you take the shortest route to meet the target (blaster bolt).You dont do a couple of swings every single time you want to parry or hit something.This swinging was all for show (many bright lights moving around the viewer).

In general the jedi battles were not that great.The only ones that looked better were, between Obi Wan and Dookoo,and Yoda-Dookoo.All other scenes with lightsabers were inferior in inspiration.

BOTTOM LINE : Better than the first one.Some might think the first one was better but that's just because they waited many years for it,while Episode 2 came only 2 years after ;)
In reality,Episode 2 was better.It was not as good as it should have been...but...it could have been worse.But it's worth the ticket if you're wondering that...

[NickBrownsFan]

Great review of the movie m8 :D thanks for that.

I happened to think it also answered a lot of things and left just enough open for the next movie.
for instance why did the storm troopers seem to mindlessly follow orders in SW4. Well now we know they are clones designed to do just that. How the emp. gained control in the first place. Go figure Ja-Ja did it. How were the Jedi wipped out if they were so powerful. Well a good amount went in the closing battle.

What makes anakin so evil. Lots to draw from now, it could have been the death of his mother and following slaughter of those involved (including women and children) and now he has broken more Jedi rules by getting married. Finally his constant berating by Obi-Wan is seen to make him a resentful pupil. Mentioned many times. And his confession that he will become the most powerful Jedi of all controling Life and death itself no matter what the cost.

I do agree that Obi-Wan does come off rather lame. But of course he was kinda lame in the other 2 movies so guess that is not of out of charactor. After all what did he really do in the origainal but give up against Darth Vader after dragging Luke off that boring planet. Hopefully he will be vindicated in the next movie but somehow I doubt it.

We get introduced to Lukes uncle and aunt. And how Luke could have ended up there.
Well enough for now.

[speculative]

Remember that Yoday said that Obi-wan was also arrogant? ;)

He needs to have real weaknesses in order to let Dar- oops I mean Anakin ;) become the "man in black." Otherwise, would you have believe that could happen under OB1's watchful eyes? I don't think so.. :)

[The Therion]

NickBrownsFan : nice analysis m8 http://ninjamicros.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

speculative : i agree,but having weaknesses is one thing ,and being so hypotonic as Obi Wan was presented is another.Besides ,sometimes you can be a good teacher and still have your pupil slip away.Noone's perfect.

But i guess the weakness of Obi Wan was mentioned in the film : when Anakin says that Obi Wan is jealous and doesnt let him advance.
That probably gave Anakin more reason to fill up with hatred as he might have been able to save his mother etc.

And data's right about the title (in the other thread).Should have been called "The preparations of the clones" :D

[speculative]

Originally posted by The Therion
And data's right about the title (in the other thread).Should have been called "The preparations of the clones" :D

Or: "Yoda Opens a Can of Whupa$$!" :D

[Talon]

I happened to think it also answered a lot of things and left just enough open for the next movie. For instance why did the storm troopers seem to mindlessly follow orders in SW4. Well now we know they are clones designed to do just that.

Not entirely true. The storm troopers in the later years are in fact humans, recruited by the Empire and trained. The cloning is the beginning yes, but when the cloning facilities are lost, they go recruiting.(the lost cloning facilities will most likely NOT be seen in the third movie, but this is in fact what happens according to the books. For more info on the recruitment of Storm Troopers, please read STAR WARS: Tales from Mos Eisly Cantina.)

How the emp. gained control in the first place. Go figure Ja-Ja did it. How were the Jedi wipped out if they were so powerful. Well a good amount went in the closing battle.

Although this is partially true, it isn't the complete story. However, I will not give away EXACTLY how the Jedi were wiped out for those here who have not read the books, comics, etc. That most likely WILL BE in the third movie, so I don't want to spoil it.

What makes anakin so evil. Lots to draw from now, it could have been the death of his mother and following slaughter of those involved (including women and children) and now he has broken more Jedi rules by getting married.

No argument here, but I will add this. He is supposed to be the one who "Brings order to the universe, and balances the Force." Up till now, they all assumed that was a good thing. However, I tend to think that since the Jedi were the only ones using the force (bad choice of words, but it is before coffee, so cut me some slack), and the SITH had been gone for so long, the actual "imbalance" was the LACK of evil/siths. It makes sense if you think about it. And, on top of that, Anakin started his training VERY late by their standards, and had already been through suffering and pain in his life as a slave, etc. MANY factors can be attributed to his inevitable decent to the dark side, including what we have already mentioned here.

Finally his constant berating by Obi-Wan is seen to make him a resentful pupil. Mentioned many times.
Very true, but if we remember, Obi-Wan admits freely that he should never have taken Anakin as his pupil,and that he was not ready. He blames his own arrogance for Anakins failure in his training. Perhaps HIS arrogance led to Anakins? Who knows.

And his confession that he will become the most powerful Jedi of all controling Life and death itself no matter what the cost.
Confession or arrogant statement, but either way, this was definately the beginning of his journey down the dark side.

I do agree that Obi-Wan does come off rather lame. But of course he was kinda lame in the other 2 movies so guess that is not of out of charactor. After all what did he really do in the origainal but give up against Darth Vader after dragging Luke off that boring planet. Hopefully he will be vindicated in the next movie but somehow I doubt it.

Not sure I agree about his lameness, after all, he became a teacher DIRECTLY after finishing being a student himself. He had lots of learning left to do himself. As for his "suicide", perhaps that was because he could vision the future and knew his death was needed in order for Luke to become a Jedi Knight himself. If Obi had killed Vader, then alot of Lukes future may never have happened, and he himself may never have become a Knight. Of course, this is pure speculation, and I could be completely off on this one! :D

Ok, I think I rambled enough on this one. I agree with with most of what everyone else has already said, but need to get my two cents in. As for the fight scenes, again this is only opinion, I thought the were great. To flashy? Perhaps, but it is, after all, just a movie! I thought Samuel Jackson did a great job, although I was half expecting him at some point in the movie to say "Hand me my lightsaber, its the one that says Bad Mother ****er on it". (Pulp Fiction fans will get that joke)

Talon

PS: YODA KICKED BUTT!!

[The Therion]

He is supposed to be the one who "Brings order to the universe, and balances the Force." Up till now, they all assumed that was a good thing. However, I tend to think that since the Jedi were the only ones using the force (bad choice of words, but it is before coffee, so cut me some slack), and the SITH had been gone for so long, the actual "imbalance" was the LACK of evil/siths

I agree.This is the most probable explanation.

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About Obi Wan's "suicide" : He knew he probably could not beat Vader anyway.However he could have left ! Why did he remain? He must have wanted to die in front of Luke or something to motivate him? inspire him ? If he had left with Luke right there, Luke's future would not have been much different. HE would have to go face his father. Plus Obi Wan could train him further.

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As for the fight scenes, again this is only opinion, I thought the were great. To flashy? Perhaps, but it is, after all, just a movie!

So? Other movies manage to have more realistic hand to hand combat.That's not an excuse! Besides Star Wars is supposed to be a huge production,that must be free of certain exagerations,dont you think ? I mean here we have the best sword-like weapon ever imagined :D , and a type of folk who can do great things with it (jedis) and yet...some moves are totaly unapropriate for skilled swordsmen.If you watch some serious films with sword fights that are well made, (mostly hong kong films) ,you'll understand why i say this.

Samuel Jackson was good,but all in all he didnt do or say anything great.He was just a high ranking jedi that deflected jenga fett's blaster bolts and choped his head off.I hope he gets better scenes in the next film.


I was half expecting him at some point in the movie to say "Hand me my lightsaber, its the one that says Bad Mother ****er on it".

LOL, catch him interogating Jenga Fett and saying : "Basic mothaf***a,DO YOU SPEAK IT ! " :D

[Talon]

Originally posted by The Therion

So? Other movies manage to have more realistic hand to hand combat.That's not an excuse! Besides Star Wars is supposed to be a huge production,that must be free of certain exagerations,dont you think ? I mean here we have the best sword-like weapon ever imagined :D , and a type of folk who can do great things with it (jedis) and yet...some moves are totaly unapropriate for skilled swordsmen.If you watch some serious films with sword fights that are well made, (mostly hong kong films) ,you'll understand why i say this.

Well, I agree to a point, but I think this is going to come down to opinion again. You prefer less flashy, more to the point Light Saber duels, and I don't mind the flashy swings, so we will just leave it at that.

Samuel Jackson was good,but all in all he didnt do or say anything great.He was just a high ranking jedi that deflected jenga fett's blaster bolts and choped his head off.I hope he gets better scenes in the next film.
I do agree that I hope he gets better scenes in the next film. I have heard the rumors already, and I think we will like what we see if they come true.


LOL, catch him interogating Jenga Fett and saying : "Basic mothaf***a,DO YOU SPEAK IT ! " :D

:rofl:

[Gservo]

I happened to think it also answered a lot of things and left just enough open for the next movie. For instance why did the storm troopers seem to mindlessly follow orders in SW4. Well now we know they are clones designed to do just that.

Well in episode 4, I beleive there is a mix of left over clones and new recruits. And why did they follow mindlessly, well in the end the are the best ****ing soildiers in the glaxy bar none. and with Vader Leading the way, what you gonna do? Yeah thats right Follow orders.

How the emp. gained control in the first place. Go figure Ja-Ja did it. How were the Jedi wipped out if they were so powerful. Well a good amount went in the closing battle.

Ja-ja I knew would not let me down and **** up in some major way. That was his purpose to **** up. Another big theme was that the Jedi have become EXTREEMLY AROGANT. Not really a jedi trait. I think this is the embalance yoda speaks of, why the sith are able to "cloud" things

What makes anakin so evil. Lots to draw from now, it could have been the death of his mother and following slaughter of those involved (including women and children) and now he has broken more Jedi rules by getting married.

What makes anakin so evil, is the arogance of Obi-wan and Qui-Gon, the sheer raw power at his command, and the Guidance of palpitine, and drumrole, the strictness of the Jedi order. in my view

Finally his constant berating by Obi-Wan is seen to make him a resentful pupil. Mentioned many times.
Are not all children spiteful of the parents when they constanly nag at them with out taking into account the childrens point of view


I wanted to see this in the arena scene but was let down

Windu looses his lightsaber- talking to anakin
Hand me my lightsaber... it's the one that says, 'Bad Mother ****er.'

Windu Running towards Jango-
Feel the Force, mother****er.

[wyles]

I was also expecting Temeura Morisson (jango) to come up with "too much weights, not enough speed work" ....;)


anybody???

[NickBrownsFan]

Interesting insights into the movie indeed. I have not read any of the books so dont have some of the knowledge to draw upon that you speak of. I thought they had said that if they needed more clones it would take more time. Which if you are going to fight a war it would make sence that you would want more. ;)

I like the imbalance/rebalance theory but didnt they say they were losing the abilitys to use the force and thankfully no one was noticing?

[The Therion]

where was that from wylie ?

[Talon]

Originally posted by wylie
I was also expecting Temeura Morisson (jango) to come up with "too much weights, not enough speed work" ....;)


anybody???
Ya know, I thought I recognized him from somewhere, and now it is going to drive me nuts. What movie is that Wylie?

[wyles]

Once Were Warriors

[Longshot421]

Once Were Warriors

Another great flic, and it also further makes the young lady accusing Jango Fett of being a hispanic stereo type look all that much more foolish.

I loved AOTC, my only REAL beef is how quickly Obi-Wan pussed out in the duel with Dooku. Come on, here's the guy who took out Darth Maul after shaking off a boot in the face, and after a couple of little burns he collapses wimpering. This is not the Obi-Wan we know and love.

The effects were magnificent, and Jango was definitley cool. I'm glad we weren't treated to any Hamlet speeches as Boba stares into his dad's decapitated noggin.

I like the imbalance/rebalance theory posted here too.

Oh yeah, and Yoda kicked A$$!!! :D

[The Therion]

Once were warriors.... havent seen that yet ,although i remmeber i liked the trailer...well since you confirm i'll rent it sometime :)



my only REAL beef is how quickly Obi-Wan pussed out in the duel with Dooku. Come on, here's the guy who took out Darth Maul after shaking off a boot in the face, and after a couple of little burns he collapses wimpering. This is not the Obi-Wan we know and love

I know what you mean,however the scene where Obi Wan kills Maul in Episode 1 was the LAMEST good-guy beats bad-guy i have ever watched.
And i can analyze thouroughly on that...

Nevertheless i did expect Obi Wan to stand a little longer against Lord Tyranus....i guess they wanted to show how powerfull Duku had become....

What also i didnt expect ,was that before the lightsaber combato between Duku and Yoda, Yoda seemed to have difficulty with the telekinesis of the heavy items,while Duku was cool as ice ! :confused:

[Longshot421]

Originally posted by The Therion
What also i didnt expect ,was that before the lightsaber combato between Duku and Yoda, Yoda seemed to have difficulty with the telekinesis of the heavy items,while Duku was cool as ice ! :confused:

I agree! Maybe it was the practice he (Dooku) got pinning Gandalf to the wall. :D Sorry, wrong movie. Maybe Yoda needed time to warm up, because he got some bad a$$ kung fu action going right after that. And like you say, let's not forget the forboding implication that someone is limiting the users of the light side's ability with the force.

[The Therion]

LOL

Lord Saruman Tyranus
Count Saruman
Duku the White ?

:D

[Talon]

Originally posted by Longshot421

I loved AOTC, my only REAL beef is how quickly Obi-Wan pussed out in the duel with Dooku. Come on, here's the guy who took out Darth Maul after shaking off a boot in the face, and after a couple of little burns he collapses wimpering. This is not the Obi-Wan we know and love.

Well, I do agree with this alittle bit, but again would like to add my perspective to it. It has been said many times by Yoda, Obi, and even Luke(mostly in the books on the latter) that the Dark Side is extremely powerful, sometimes even more powerful than the "Light" side.(for lack of a better phrase). The downfall of using the dark side is that you draw your power off of hatred, fear, anger, etc, and it quickly takes it's toll on the physical body, and it was even referenced on several occasions that masters of the dark side often go mad. So, in a battle of "pure power", only a really powerful Jedi Master would beat a Sith Master. Obi-Wan has proven that although he is a master, he is not as powerful as the others, and as we find out in the later movies, he never will be. Don't get me wrong, he is a Jedi Master no doubt, but nowhere near as powerful as Yoda, or even Anakin.


Originally posted by Longshot421

The effects were magnificent, and Jango was definitley cool. I'm glad we weren't treated to any Hamlet speeches as Boba stares into his dad's decapitated noggin.

Oh, thank heavens for that. I would have been so pissed about that. I did love the background story of Boba/Jango though. I thought it was an awesome way to start the story rolling about one of the fans favorite characters.
Originally posted by Longshot421

I like the imbalance/rebalance theory posted here too.

Thank you. :D

Originally posted by Longshot421

Oh yeah, and Yoda kicked A$$!!! :D

No further comment needed on that one. It says it all. ;)

[Gservo]

Originally posted by Longshot421


I agree! Maybe it was the practice he (Dooku) got pinning Gandalf to the wall. :D Sorry, wrong movie. Maybe Yoda needed time to warm up, because he got some bad a$$ kung fu action going right after that. And like you say, let's not forget the forboding implication that someone is limiting the users of the light side's ability with the force.

I think the Person Limiting the Users of the light, Is Anakin. Think of the Force as a finite source of energy, A really Freaking Huge finite source. It is balance like Yin and Yang. The dark side( which explains why sith are so powerful, there being only two of them to share the energy) and Light all the jedi drinking from the same source( Some using the source better that others I.E. Yoda and Windu). Then Comes Anakin a huge drain, because he has so many midiclorians. THEREFORE, he, basically, has thrown the Light off balance. And since he is a we bit emotional (see his destruction of the thingies that did the bad thingies to his mommy :rolleyes: ) He has everybody all messed up. In the light. SOOOOOOo how does he bring balance to the force? You ask. He goes to the darks side leaving basically Yoda and Obi while he and the emperor share the Darkness, till Luke comes and well throws things back off balance and then we have A New Hope Through Jedi and supposedly no more sith, leaving only the light (or so it seems)

[The Therion]

I agree with your view of the balance GServo.But there are questions.

But are we sure about the "bad" Jedis being only 2 ?
And Yoda seems to be equal if not more powerfull than Tyranus,so that would leave Palpatine being more powerfull than all the other Jedi combined ?

[Gservo]

But are we sure about the "bad" Jedis being only 2 ?
Honestly no, Dooku did not get that way after Maul died come to think about it. I think there are only two masters Level, then others in the wings to take their place when one dies.

And Yoda seems to be equal if not more powerfull than Tyranus,so that would leave Palpatine being more powerfull than all the other Jedi combined ? I would not say palpatine/sidious(if they are the same person) are/is more powerful, just more resourceful and manipulitive...

[The Therion]

I hope some things become clearer in 2005...

[Longshot421]

Originally posted by The Therion
I hope some things become clearer in 2005...

Well, despite his MANY comments to the contrary, I still think Mr. Lucas is making it up as he goes! :D Even in the Ep. IV, V, VI, has anyone thought that the reason Jedi were forbidden to love was there tendency to get the hots for their sister? :p

I think the Sith "always two there are" means they come in pairs, but I propose there must be more sets than just Sidious/Maul (deceased) Dooku (replacement). Maybe we'll meet them in Ep. III.

Originally posted by The Therion
Lord Saruman Tyranus Count Saruman Duku the White ?


LOL! :D Now THAT'S funny.

Hey, smallish Star Wars trivia question for y'all, in my ID Longshot421, Longshot is one of Marvel's X-Men, anyone guess where 421 comes from? We should start a trivia area. Actually, I guess there's already a million boards out there with that kind of stuff, but I already spend too much time at work here and at 2cpu.com, so I was trying to consolidate. :D

[Gservo]

TK-421! Why Aren't You At Your Post?

TK-421 is the only stormtrooper in the whole of the Star Wars series who actually got his name, like, mentioned! He was first seen in Episode IV when the Millenium Falcon was brought into the Death Star. He was, unfortunately, tricked by the rebel jerks into coming on board the Falcon where he was blasted and had his uniform stolen.:D :rolleyes:

[The Therion]

....that was a....long shot... :D lol :D

[mackerel]

I just got back from the cinema after watching this...

Now that I've read this thread, it seems my thoughts were about the same, for example about the balance. Obi did seem a bit week, but I assumed this was due to his relative newness at being a Jedi teacher since ep1.

The Yoda fight scene had everyone in the audience laughing. Given that he found it hard to walk normally, he must have been really burning up the force to fly around like that.

And finally, when Ami was in the yellow dress without a back, that was seriously nice... I'd like to see more of that, or should that be less? ;)

[Longshot421]

Originally posted by Gservo
TK-421! Why Aren't You At Your Post?...He was, unfortunately, tricked by the rebel jerks into coming on board the Falcon where he was blasted and had his uniform stolen.:D :rolleyes:

Yeah, I've always felt a special connection to the easily duped, subduded, and rendered naked, due mostly to unfortunate past relationships. :D

Originally posted by The Therion
....that was a....long shot... lol

Oh please, my ribs, enough with the jokes...:D

And finally....

Originally posted by mackerel
... I'd like to see more of that, or should that be less?

Yes, more soft core nudity from Amidala. A lot of the criticism heaped on the Star Wars movies stems from the fact that most of us were 7-10 years old when it cam round the first time and now are 32-35 years old and can't remember how to be be kids and just enjoy the film. So...let's see Natalie Portman in shorter, tighter more revealing clothing, and once again enjoy simple wide-eyed wonder..:D ;)

[The Therion]

lol

"Yes beautiful natalie is, with your feelings reach out and see her naked you will yees ! "

-Master Yoda-



I dont know about you,but she reminds me of those old beautifull actresses of the past decades,she has features and look kind of ...royal i dont know...


http://www.womenceleb.com/files/nat10.jpg

[Longshot421]

Originally posted by The Therion
lol

"Yes beautiful natalie is, with your feelings reach out and see her naked you will yees ! "

-Master Yoda-



I dont know about you,but she reminds me of those old beautifull actresses of the past decades,she has features and look kind of ...royal i dont know...

LOL! I would reach out more than my feelings. Oh great, I've become crass. Oh well. :p Yes, Natalie is, I guess the word I would use is, elegant. In an industry filled with Britney Spears clones, it's nice to see some of the classic beauty. (Don't get me wrong, Britney is plenty hot in her own way). Plus Natalie is going to Harvard, and I don't know about you, but I think smart is sexy. She's sort of a Grace Kelly for our time, or maybe Natalie Wood. See Beautiful Girls for a heart wrenching perfomance by Miss Portman.

[The Therion]

Exactly ! I hope she turns out well in character too (when one is a star so young...its dangerous).

[Longshot421]

Originally Posted by The Therion
Exactly ! I hope she turns out well in character too (when one is a star so young...its dangerous).

Yes, look what happened to poor Drew Barrymore. Not quite the same thing, but the burden of stardom on youth etc. etc. If anyone wants to give me an enormous sum of money and fame, I volunteer to see if changes me.:D What?! No takers?

OT: or rather back on topic;) : At work we were making Jango Fett jokes and it got round to his imaginary brother Jingo Fett, which of course let to the Fett family dog...(wait for it) Dingo Fett! I guess you had to be there, but the image of this scappy little dachshund in armor with a missile back pack etc. was hysterical at the time.

[The Therion]

lol , when i picture it it does look funny indeed

So how do you call someone who behaves like a Fett ? That he's acting fetish ? http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/Defiant/sm/toothbreaks.gif

[Talon]

Originally posted by The Therion
lol , when i picture it it does look funny indeed

So how do you call someone who behaves like a Fett ? That he's acting fetish ? http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/Defiant/sm/toothbreaks.gif

oh god that was aweful.... :rolleyes: :D

[Longshot421]

Originally posted by Talon
oh god that was aweful.... :rolleyes: :D

Absolutley. :p However, speaking of fetish, what are the odds that Amidala's costume in Ep III will include stilleto heel thigh high leather boots? Probably not good. :( Oh well, I guess I'll see it anyway.

[The Therion]

Maybe she will wear the missing part of that white dress she had on when she was with Anakin by the porch. :D

[Longshot421]

LOL! Mmmmm, backless....

[JohnyX]

As far as Obi comming off as somewhat lame, isn't he the one that puts the smack down on Ani so hard that he has to don the "iron lung" suit?

Maybe someone has brought this up about the Yoda and Dooku duel but Dooku unhinges the pillar while he and Yoda have locked sabers and then he bolts. Yoda couldnt fully concentrate on the pillar until he was sure that Dooku was really leaving otherwise Dooku could of killed Yoda, and the pillar would of killed Ani and Obi.

[Talon]

Originally posted by JohnyX

Maybe someone has brought this up about the Yoda and Dooku duel but Dooku unhinges the pillar while he and Yoda have locked sabers and then he bolts. Yoda couldnt fully concentrate on the pillar until he was sure that Dooku was really leaving otherwise Dooku could of killed Yoda, and the pillar would of killed Ani and Obi.

Good points all, JohnyX. As I said before, it would take a really powerful Jedi to kick a Sith's butt. In this case, you are right that Yoda was not as strong as Dooku, so he had to choose between finishing Dooku, or saving Obi and Anikan. Dooku, however, knew he could not beat Yoda either, which is why he had to use a diversion so he could get away. Also, Dooku merely bent a piece of metal in the weakest part of that column to cause it to fall, while Yoda had to actually CATCH it with the force, and then move it. I think that the ammount of strength or "force power" required to do the latter would be significanly greater than to just bend metal. Again, as I stated before, remember that Yoda and Mace had already stated that their abilities to use the force were dwindling, if not mostly gone. Imagine how that fight would have gone if Yoda WAS in full control of the force.....


Talon

[Longshot421]

The discussion of who was more powerful Yoda vs. Dooku should look at the most salient point: Who ran away? Yeah, that's right, Dooku knew he was in for a whuppin' so he did the Force equivalent of the ol' "Hey, look over there!" and bolted. Who know's what Yoda was doing in the background, Force-wise. Yoda Jedi SMP.

...while Yoda had to actually CATCH it...

An excellent point, as demonstrated by brush clearing on my parent's acreage, where I easily cut down a tree with a chain saw, but dad had a REAL problem when it fell on him. :D

[speculative]

Originally posted by Longshot421


Absolutley. :p However, speaking of fetish, what are the odds that Amidala's costume in Ep III will include stilleto heel thigh high leather boots? Probably not good. :( Oh well, I guess I'll see it anyway.

Check out that MIB II trailer... Yummm!!! ;)

[The Therion]

remember that Yoda and Mace had already stated that their abilities to use the force were dwindling, if not mostly gone. Imagine how that fight would have gone if Yoda WAS in full control of the force.....


And by the way,why was that? Another thing that raises questions....

[speculative]

Originally posted by The Therion



And by the way,why was that? Another thing that raises questions....

I agree... After all, they already dispatched the pointy-headed guy in EP I ;) How many Sith can there be? Is there an army of them or something? I mean, if it's just the 2 old white guys, I'm not buying it! :D

-speculative

[Gservo]

Two masters, a bunch o sith padawans constaly in training till its thier turn at bat?

[speculative]

Originally posted by Gservo
Two masters, a bunch o sith padawans constaly in training till its thier turn at bat?

True? Will their be another main battle in EP III between good/bad Jedi which will wipe them out except for the Emporer, Darth (nearly kills him though) OB1, and Yoda? Otherwise, why don't we see more Jedi in EP 4?

"You my friend are all that's left" one of the empirial officer says to Darth when speaking about the Jedi. (Of course, there was the Emporer as well. ;) )

-spec

[Gservo]

All they know about, its obvious they are overlooking Yoda and Obiwan, and I be there are a few more out there. The Starwar galaxy is a big place. If yoda and Obi want could hide i bet others did also

[The Therion]

I beleive there could be others out there,regardless of Lucas's efforts to indicate otherwise in episodes 4,5,6.Maybe he did it to add importance to the situation (but it was a mistake to emphasize so much).

Lucas has also agreed to Timothy Zahn's continuation of the story,in which (Heir To The Empire) another dark jedi comes out of nowhere (Joruus C'baoth)...so things are kinda loose in this regard...

[Longshot421]

IMHO, the Star Wars universe has grown too large for anyone other than SuperFans to keep track of, which is sort of in keeping with mythology of old, where there are a few "definitive" stories that nobody argues with, and then a multitude of stories that may or may not be "true". That's kind of the way I like to think about it, anyway. That way I can disregard stories I don't like. :p

[Talon]

Originally posted by The Therion
I beleive there could be others out there,regardless of Lucas's efforts to indicate otherwise in episodes 4,5,6.Maybe he did it to add importance to the situation (but it was a mistake to emphasize so much).

Lucas has also agreed to Timothy Zahn's continuation of the story,in which (Heir To The Empire) another dark jedi comes out of nowhere (Joruus C'baoth)...so things are kinda loose in this regard...

Well, he did not come out of nowhere, really. He was a clone that Grand Admiral Thrawn brought out when they found the Emporers secret cloning base. Now, SPOILER AHEAD.......




























The actual death of the Jedi's was all at once. They were murdered in a space craft while being sent on a bogus mission of peace. Now, there are undoubtably many people in the universe who have "jedi potential", or who are strong in the force, as we find out in the books, but I think what Lucas meant was that there were no more actual "Jedi Knights", as they were all killed by Darth Vader at the order of the Emporer. I think that sometimes even the superfans read way too much into the story line, and are looking for inconsitancies.(sp?) There are bound to be errors in the plot and story at certain points, there is no way around it. You are telling a story backwards in a sense, and that is not an easy task, especially with the life that that this story has taken all on it's own. I tend to be alittle more "forgiving" when I see the movies, and this does allow me to enjoy them alot more. Not saying people are incorrect or anything, just pointing out that as true "super fans", we sometimes point things out that NO ONE else would even know but us, as Longshot421
pointed out as well.

Talon

[Longshot421]

Telling a story backward. Exactly, nicely put. Star Trek did the same thing, though chronologically, it went forward, by ressurecting Khan for Star Trek II. Star Wars authors sometimes find incidental plot details in past stories and make up history to go with them and flesh them into stories of their own. Like Talon says, I watch the movies with an eye to enjoying them for themsleves, and let the little plot inconsistencies go. Though, I am curious to see why Obi Wan doesn't "seem to remember ever owning a droid before." Maybe it's Jedi senility, or Clone War Syndrome.

[Talon]

Originally posted by Longshot421
Though, I am curious to see why Obi Wan doesn't "seem to remember ever owning a droid before." Maybe it's Jedi senility, or Clone War Syndrome.

:rofl:

[Gservo]

Originally posted by Longshot421
Though, I am curious to see why Obi Wan doesn't "seem to remember ever owning a droid before." Maybe it's Jedi senility, or Clone War Syndrome.

(Warning super fan answer)

Well Actually, Obi wan never did own the droids, he interacted with them, but R2D2 Was Padmes's Droid and was always with her(After Ep1) and 3PO was Anakins creation and was with his mom for about 10 years before rejoining him on tatooine after Anakin's mothers death.

I think we see Obi with R2D2 all of 10 Minutes in the Ep 1 & 2

So

The Droids are Owend by the Skywalkers

R2D2 and C3PO being handed down to Leia and evntually ending up in Lukes Company.

Luke thinks the Droids belong to OBI because R2, sent by Lukes yet to be known sister, is Looking for OBI, to deliver the plans for the D.S.


Geek Momment over...:rolleyes:

[Longshot421]

Fair enough, but you think he'd at least remember them, though R2's and protocol droids tend to look alike. Also, C3P0 says "our last master was Captain Antilles...", but Antilles was from Alderaan (PE, Pre-Explosion :p ) at least I think so as Bail Antilles was a possible candidate for Supreme Chancellor.

[Gservo]

Looking at Obi's attitude he probally just did not care...

[JohnyX]

You are forgetting something about Obi's character. When tracking down a bounty hunter in EP2 he takes time out to slam down the local moonshine. In EP4, where is the first place that he heads to when going into town? That's right, the local bar. Obi is a raging alchoholic! With all the drinking that he did in seclution, it is no wonder that he didnt recognize the droids!

[Gservo]

I know you guys have seen the updated Yoda entry located at starwars.com, but here is the part I found interesting:
"While meditating, Yoda had felt a traumatic event befall young Anakin Skywalker. At that very moment, he also heard the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi Master slain a decade previous. It was impossible for a Jedi to retain his identity after becoming one with the Force, yet he had heard it. "

So apparently the Jedi didn't know you could come back as a shimmering blue light at the time of Episode II. Interesting.

As Lucas has noted, it's a trick Yoda teaches the Jedi which we'll most likely see in Episode III.

Yoda (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/index.html)